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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 5th, 2020, 9:41 pm
by katastrofa
OK, go for it.

Here's the Washington Post db of fatal police shootings since 2015, which was mentioned in the articles.
Here's a link to FBI crime arrest statistics, a sample guide, a sample table (which has ethnicity data).. There should be similar data for other years. 
Obviously it requires going much deeper into the data, but probably speaks more than a white middle-class man's guts ;-) xx
1) the police killed 370 whites and 235 black in 2019 (similar numbers in previous years - source: WP data)
2) according to the FBI data whites commit 69% crimes and blacks only 27% (I'm looking at totals - after all, Floyd died because he was suspected of using a false $20).
Someone should look at the discrimination of the hispanic and "unknown" (I guess I would fall into that category), but it shouldn't be used to deny the discrimination against the black.


At best, you've proven your point that "Statistics is better than lies because it can mould data into whatever conclusion you want".

First of, at the link you cited, you had the choice to pick from 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 (partial), or the total. You selected 2019, which just happens to be the most favorable for your case. Next, given the chance to use data on murder or other violent crime arrests (the ones obviously most likely to involve a fatal shooting), you instead decide to use "all crimes". Because, after all,  Floyd died because he was suspected of using a false $20.  

 
I proved it more than enough times! As I wrote, it isn't enough to answer the question about racism in the US criminal justice.

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 6th, 2020, 12:00 am
by Cuchulainn
OK, go for it.

Here's the Washington Post db of fatal police shootings since 2015, which was mentioned in the articles.
Here's a link to FBI crime arrest statistics, a sample guide, a sample table (which has ethnicity data).. There should be similar data for other years. 
Obviously it requires going much deeper into the data, but probably speaks more than a white middle-class man's guts ;-) xx
1) the police killed 370 whites and 235 black in 2019 (similar numbers in previous years - source: WP data)
2) according to the FBI data whites commit 69% crimes and blacks only 27% (I'm looking at totals - after all, Floyd died because he was suspected of using a false $20).
Someone should look at the discrimination of the hispanic and "unknown" (I guess I would fall into that category), but it shouldn't be used to deny the discrimination against the black.


At best, you've proven your point that "Statistics is better than lies because it can mould data into whatever conclusion you want".

First of, at the link you cited, you had the choice to pick from 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 (partial), or the total. You selected 2019, which just happens to be the most favorable for your case. Next, given the chance to use data on murder or other violent crime arrests (the ones obviously most likely to involve a fatal shooting), you instead decide to use "all crimes". Because, after all,  Floyd died because he was suspected of using a false $20.  

 
And he was black. It was a lynching.

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 6th, 2020, 11:58 am
by Cuchulainn
In judo, a neck stangle is called sangaku, it is excruciating because 1) you cannot breathe and 2) upper body gets flattened like a pancake, it's like being smothered and in fact that's what happens. Most judokas give up after about 10 seconds. That's the protocol.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZId25lIrQZg

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 6th, 2020, 12:40 pm
by Cuchulainn
'We were wrong' - NFL U-turn on player anti-racism protests


https://www.rte.ie/sport/us-sport/2020/0606/1145827-we-were-wrong-nfl-u-turn-on-player-protests/

duh

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 6th, 2020, 1:19 pm
by katastrofa
Pressing the cartoid artery for so long is a guaranteed death. It's not just the lack of oxygen, it's the heart shutting down because of the restricted blood flow to the brain. In karate one knifehand strike in the right place can knock people out. Thinking of Floyd's death now - given the police is trained in such basics, it indeed looks like a murder.

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 6th, 2020, 2:34 pm
by trackstar
According to the Buffalo newspaper he was in a “stable but serious” condition. So the entire emergency response team has quit their ERT assignments (but not their jobs) in protest against the suspension of the two police officers carrying out the assault. A reasonable next step would be to fire them all, but that won’t actually be all that easy. Unions are a somewhat mixed blessing, police unions even more so.
Yes, this article covers that incident in more detail. There are many other articles now. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 153626001/
He is 75 (not 79 - my mistake earlier) and although in "stable but serious" condition yesterday, he was also said to be alert and oriented.

Large protests scheduled for today, especially in DC.

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 6th, 2020, 3:50 pm
by Cuchulainn
Pressing the cartoid artery for so long is a guaranteed death. It's not just the lack of oxygen, it's the heart shutting down because of the restricted blood flow to the brain. In karate one knifehand strike in the right place can knock people out. Thinking of Floyd's death now - given the police is trained in such basics, it indeed looks like a murder.
That's exact;y what I mean; I trained a few times with NYPD and marine judokas and safety of your partner is rule #1.  What I did notice is that when technique broke down they tended to become reckless and a danger for others.

Doesn't apply on the streets. Again, it was a lynching, without a rope. Forensically speaking.

That cop knew exactly what he was doing. No doubt about it.

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 7th, 2020, 8:38 am
by Cuchulainn
Thinking of Floyd's death now - given the police is trained in such basics, it indeed looks like a murder.
It could be a *lack of training*, especially if they are overweight. There was a time when police were trained how to disable people using wrist locks. Not any more.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l49jnk-UbY

And no one died. Good teacher. BTW it's Aikido.

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 7th, 2020, 9:01 pm
by bearish
An actual, and closely related, mystery is how the NYT decided to publish a highly inflammatory note this week by Tom Cotton (ultra right-wing asshole and junior senator from Armpit). He called for sending in the army and blasting away the protesters and looters. In the physical paper it's obvious that it is in fact an op-ed piece, but since most people read their news in virtualized form, many just took it to be another NYT article and were confused. NYT journalists and staffers were not amused. It might have felt like a good idea at the time, but giving the enemy a platform in the name of free speech and informed debate is a dicey venture.
I looked him, up for curiosity. Ticks most of the boxes I would say.

In June 2020, amid protests over the death of George Floyd, Cotton advocated on Twitter that the military be used to support police, and to give "No quarter for insurrectionists, anarchists, rioters, and looters."[71][72] In the military, the term "no quarter" refers to the killing of lawfully surrendering combatants, which is a war crime under the Geneva Convention. Cotton subsequently said that he was using the “colloquial” version of the phrase and cited examples of Democrats and the mainstream media also using the phrase.[73][74] Cotton later authored New York Times editorial titled "Send In the Troops" where he argued for the deployment of federal troops into major American cities. Dozens of New York Times staff members sharply criticized the decision to the publish Cotton's article, describing its rhetoric as dangerous.[75][76] Following the uproar from staffers, The New York Times responded by saying the piece went through a "rushed editorial process" that will now be examined.[77]

He is NRA A-rated student.

Again, NYT make another  faux pas.
The editorial page editor of the NYT just resigned over the mishandling of the Cotton piece, and the deputy editor directly involved has been reassigned.

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 9th, 2020, 10:44 pm
by bearish
So, maybe I should preface this (and all future comments on this topic) with the notion that nothing Trump could possibly do or say would lower my opinion of him. He is dirt, I guess "shit" would be a more precise term, and deserves any and all bad things that will hopefully come to him. But his current twit that the 75 year old protester who was attacked by the Buffalo police fell too hard and was an ANTIFA provocateur is probing new lows, even for him. Being anti-fascist is so obnoxious to Trump as to demand capital letters!

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 10th, 2020, 3:17 pm
by bearish
So Trump is about to announce the new venue for his coronation, aka the GOP national congress. Please, please, please make it Brazil! They have the correct political climate and a government with a total disregard for the Coronavirus, which is what he is looking for.

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 10th, 2020, 4:35 pm
by katastrofa
So, maybe I should preface this (and all future comments on this topic) with the notion that nothing Trump could possibly do or say would lower my opinion of him. He is dirt, I guess "shit" would be a more precise term, and deserves any and all bad things that will hopefully come to him. But his current twit that the 75 year old protester who was attacked by the Buffalo police fell too hard and was an ANTIFA provocateur is probing new lows, even for him. Being anti-fascist is so obnoxious to Trump as to demand capital letters!
I'm surprised that he didn't twit that the attack gives the US police credit - they proved that they weren't racist and ageist. That should appeal to his supporters (?).

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 10th, 2020, 6:23 pm
by bearish
I think the jury is out on the ageist question, but "not being racist" does not align with his base.

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 10th, 2020, 8:33 pm
by bearish
Trump didn't like CNN's latest polling results (that voters hate him) and decided to issue a cease and desist letter, which is the presidential way to deal with pesky media. He has also engaged a third-rate hack polling outfit, McLaughlin & Associates, to challenge the CNN result. Good luck with that!

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 11th, 2020, 8:58 pm
by Collector
can foreigners donate money to candidates to support their campaigns?  

or just for past candidates (through for example renting a bunch of bloomberg terminals to support M. B. campaign ) ?