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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 4th, 2019, 7:29 am

Grime?
Thanks. Good one.  You are down with the kids!  
I just read about "Grime for Corbyn" online.  I wonder if that marriage will last the course? 
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 4th, 2019, 9:23 am

It depends on how many scholarships for aspiring grime artists the Labour government will fund.
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 4th, 2019, 10:18 am

There will be no US trade deal. In case Brexit were to happen, either the UK will be in a customs union with the EU or there will be a hard border running through the island of Ireland. Senior members of Congress have made it pretty clear that they will not ratify a trade deal under the latter circumstances. As usual, Trump is talking out of his ass. That being said, getting rid of NHS imposed drug price caps might just be a more important component of such a hypothetical deal than opening up the UK market to chlorinated chickens and GMO, which seem to bother some people.
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 11th, 2019, 11:09 am

More evidence of the massive economic disaster triggered by the Brexit vote: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48594011
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 11th, 2019, 11:26 am

Interesting question raised by Robert Shrimsley in the FT today: “At what point does an unelected premier leading a minority government think that suspending parliament because he lacks votes for his policy is a legitimate position for a Conservative? You might think a party clinging to power would be wary of giving a radical opposition such ideas.”
 
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Gamal
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 11th, 2019, 12:27 pm

What is 'legitimate'?
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 11th, 2019, 12:35 pm

More evidence of the massive economic disaster triggered by the Brexit vote: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48594011
I wonder how those figures correspond with this: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 2017-11-30

At the same time:
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 11th, 2019, 1:09 pm

Interesting question raised by Robert Shrimsley in the FT today: “At what point does an unelected premier leading a minority government think that suspending parliament because he lacks votes for his policy is a legitimate position for a Conservative? You might think a party clinging to power would be wary of giving a radical opposition such ideas.”
It's been done before, by Labour

"In 1948 a new Parliament Bill to reduce the power of the Lords was being blocked by peers, but powers… which would allow the government to override the Lords could only be used if there had been a delay over three ‘sessions’. A special short session of 10 days was therefore arranged.”"
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 11th, 2019, 1:49 pm

OK, so it really should be part of Conservative doctrine.
 
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Paul
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 11th, 2019, 3:00 pm

I doubt whether the FT questioned the reasonableness of MPs trying to overrule a referendum result that was part of the major parties’ manifestos. Or even a previous Labour PM having secret meetings with the EU in the negotiations. For example.
 
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bearish
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 13th, 2019, 2:16 am

OK, we could turn this into a discussion of the FT's views of Brexit, which are well known (they are not in favor of it) and not particularly my goal. This was meant to be more about what it means to be a conservative (or, more like it, a Conservative). Is blasting your balls while trying merely to shoot yourself in the foot mandatory? 
 
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ISayMoo
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 13th, 2019, 3:01 pm

There is an assumption hidden inside this question.
 
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bearish
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 14th, 2019, 2:24 am

Well, yes. It is pretty easy to forecast the path of the Johnson government. No deal Brexit, immediately followed by a constitutional crisis and PM Corbyn. Or a revocation of Article 50, immediately followed by PM Farage. I just occasionally visit, so could go either way, but I imagine I would have stronger opinions if I had real skin in the game.
 
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ISayMoo
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 14th, 2019, 10:42 am

Why would no-deal Brexit be necessarily followed by a constitutional crisis?
PM Corbyn would not be ideal, but an improvement over the current lot. McDonnell seems a clever guy to me.
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

June 14th, 2019, 11:10 am

Sweet.
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