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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 18th, 2019, 5:43 pm

I've heard "citizens of nowhere".
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 18th, 2019, 6:01 pm

I think Theresa May coined the phrase. (Windrush).

I've heard 5 years no welfare and extra health costs for migrants.

Not exactly the way to attract international talent.
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 18th, 2019, 6:13 pm

Quite the opposite, imho.
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 18th, 2019, 6:21 pm

Quite the opposite, imho.
Why do you think that?  BTW opposite of 'what'? I had 3 sentences.
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 18th, 2019, 6:54 pm

I think talented people come to a country to contribute their talent to its socio-economic development, not to take welfare benefits.
The healthcare system funding is a similar thing to multi-generational justice in pension systems - it's considered fair for everyone if each generation of retirees contribute over equal part of their lifespan. Maybe it won't encourage the talented immigrants, but it's fair towards the citizens.
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 18th, 2019, 10:03 pm

I think talented people come to a country to contribute their talent to its socio-economic development, not to take welfare benefits.
That's only 1 use case you seem to be hinting at. It's somewhat of a stock response..
I'm talking about e.g. a qualified migrant who pays tax etc. and through no fault of their own loses their job. No welfare for 5 years.
Even 40 years ago when I came to NL (BTW I have never been out of a job, not even yer gardening leave or a break to visit the temples of the Amritsar) could have gotten welfare and I was not discriminated against in health care just because I didn't have a Dutch passport.
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 19th, 2019, 2:21 am

If someone loses the job and can't find a new one, it probably means that their talent is not so much in demand in the specific market. I would advise to look elsewhere/better. Unemployment benefits are a social insurance scheme, which is not designed to support immigrants - certainly not in such numbers.

40 years ago the world population was almost twice smaller.
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 19th, 2019, 12:26 pm

If someone loses the job and can't find a new one, it probably means that their talent is not so much in demand in the specific market. I would advise to look elsewhere/better. Unemployment benefits are a social insurance scheme, which is not designed to support immigrants - certainly not in such numbers.

40 years ago the world population was almost twice smaller.
Also sprach Zarathustra.
"Us and them".
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 19th, 2019, 1:34 pm

All politics is based on this.
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 19th, 2019, 2:09 pm

All politics is based on this.
On 'this' what? those?
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 19th, 2019, 4:23 pm

On the "Us vs Them" division.
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 19th, 2019, 5:32 pm

If someone loses the job and can't find a new one, it probably means that their talent is not so much in demand in the specific market. I would advise to look elsewhere/better. Unemployment benefits are a social insurance scheme, which is not designed to support immigrants - certainly not in such numbers.

40 years ago the world population was almost twice smaller.
Also sprach Zarathustra.
"Us and them".
Nonsense. The rules are the same for everyone. Honestly, the Dutch seem particularly generous compared to other EU countries.
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 19th, 2019, 11:54 pm

If someone loses the job and can't find a new one, it probably means that their talent is not so much in demand in the specific market. I would advise to look elsewhere/better. Unemployment benefits are a social insurance scheme, which is not designed to support immigrants - certainly not in such numbers.

40 years ago the world population was almost twice smaller.
Also sprach Zarathustra.
"Us and them".
Nonsense. The rules are the same for everyone. Honestly, the Dutch seem particularly generous compared to other EU countries.
Well, the rules are not the same after January 31 2020.
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 20th, 2019, 2:11 am

How will they differ?
 
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Re: Are you ready for Brexit?

November 20th, 2019, 2:38 am

Anybody not born in England will be thrown into the river. And if they float, they'll be burned at the stake.
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