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Re: General Election 2019

Tories launch ‘fake Labour manifesto’ website despite ‘FactCheckUK’ backlash

https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/21/tories-launch-fake-labour-manifesto-website-despite-factcheckuk-backlash-11194311/
Hilarious
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Re: General Election 2019

"Hilarious" is a good word to describe Corbyn's shopping list.

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"Hilarious" is a good word to describe Corbyn's shopping list.
It doesn't grow on trees, what doesn't it do?
It's all hilarious. The acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.
But the point is they stoop to news fabrication. Who pays?

Remember, both Corbyn and Johnson want to go back to the fifties; it's just which century it would  be that they don't agree on.

The minute you walked in the joint

I could see you were a man of distinction
A real big spender
Good lookin' so refined
Say, wouldn't you like to know what's goin' on in my mind?
So let me get right to the point
I don't pop my cork for every man I see
Hey big spender,
Spend a little time with me
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Re: General Election 2019

$\mbox{ Party }\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ Seats (Mean) }\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ Low (10%) }\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ High (10%) }\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ Majority }$
$\mbox{ Con }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ 364 }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ 336 }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ 394 }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ 78 }$
$\mbox{ Lab }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ 208 }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ 178 }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ 238 }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ }$
$\mbox{ Lib Dem }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ 20 }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ 14 }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ 25 }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ }$
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$\mbox{ Prob. Con majority }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\,\mbox{ 95.0% }$
$\mbox{ Prob. Lab majority }\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\mbox{ 0.0% }$
$\mbox{ Prob. Con majority with DUP }\;\;\;\;\mbox{ 96.8% }$

I haven't seen any decent post-TV polls yet.

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With a bit of luck they won't need DUP. Save a lot of hassle and so on.

I would write a stark $0$  percent.
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Re: General Election 2019

First tremors of a landslide?

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I don't know what you guys have against JC; he is very statesman-like and an Arsenal supporter

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"Hilarious" is a good word to describe Corbyn's shopping list.
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I will confess to currently wearing glasses that look a lot like his. But he is otherwise a caricature of a nut case. Maybe not as bad as BoJo, but in the same realm.

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Really, the idea that an extremist like Corbyn can be "neutral" on Brexit is like borderline insane. I guess he is at least intensely neutral!

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I must say I'm changing my mind about Johnson after the debate. On a minor note, I like that he put his foot down about apologising for "letter boxes". Still, he does sound a lot better when he cuts down on his flippant BoJo style.

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Nicola Sturgeon seemed the most mature and thoughtful of the four, but she's fixated on Scottish independence and that clouds her judgement sometimes. Jo Swinson looked sincere but unable to escape the legacy of the coalition government. Johnson was OK, but I would have preferred him to say "sorry" for the words (not the message) of the infamous letter box article (which I did read). I still have trouble trusting in all his promises. It's odd that nobody asked him about the Climate Crisis and the Tories response to it (or the lack of it). Corbyn sounded uninspired and unconvincing, repeating prepared formulaic responses on anti-Semitism in the LP and abuse of female MPs. His explanation of the BT Openreach nationalisation was inadequate and naive. I would like to believe in his promises of Green Industrial Revolution, but I keep having the feeling that he is stuck in the 1970s mindset and would prioritise jobs over decarbonisation and reducing consumption. Overall this QT was Johnson's to lose and he carried it reasonably well.

The audience seemed to be packed with left-wing activists. There was no robust criticism of Labour policies from a right-wing economic perspective. OTOH Swinson and Johnson were pilloried over austerity. I saw at least one person reading a multi-part question to Johnson from what looked like notes on paper.

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The audience seemed to be packed with left-wing activists.
That's not the impression I got.

Did you notice the question about the Jewish MP who was heckled out of a Corbyn meeting and Corbyn chalting with the heckler afterwards.
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I must say I'm changing my mind about Johnson after the debate. On a minor note, I like that he put his foot down about apologising for "letter boxes". Still, he does sound a lot better when he cuts down on his flippant BoJo style.
Racism is alive and well.
BTW you didn't tell us what your opinion of Johnson was _before_ this cameo event.
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The audience seemed to be packed with left-wing activists.
That's not the impression I got.
There is a fair chunk of people in the UK who do not think that the austerity policies of David Cameron were wrong. None of them were in the audience.

Corbyn nationalisation program was not challenged at all apart from the broadband question.

I would also be careful with throwing accusations of racism...