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Tilting at windmills

December 24th, 2019, 1:22 am

Within the last 24 hours Trump, Putin and (minor league) right-wing Norwegian politician Sylvi Listhaug have all argued strenuously against the terrible natural damage caused by wind turbines. Because, they are like ugly and hurt birds. And the coal and oil industry...
 
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Re: Tilting at windmills

December 24th, 2019, 4:47 am

They do harm birds, especially when placed on migration flyways.
 
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December 24th, 2019, 11:31 am

Most of ye were too long to have remembered Torrey Canyon oil spill in 1967, for example.

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December 24th, 2019, 11:40 am

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Re: Tilting at windmills

December 25th, 2019, 4:31 pm

The first one I remember (just) was the Amoco Cadiz disaster. Horrible footage of seabirds dying on the beach, black with thick crude oil.

It only took another 30 years to get double hull legislation as standard, and then not till there was a disaster in US waters. Alaska if I remember correctly.
Most of ye were too long to have remembered Torrey Canyon oil spill in 1967, for example.

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Re: Tilting at windmills

December 25th, 2019, 5:28 pm

In a curious coincidence, the NYT has a front page story today on how the Trump administration quietly closed down federal protection of migratory birds, so as to make oil spills etc. cheaper. Because, you know, he is such a bird lover. 
 
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Re: Tilting at windmills

December 25th, 2019, 6:27 pm

In a curious coincidence, the NYT has a front page story today on how the Trump administration quietly closed down federal protection of migratory birds, so as to make oil spills etc. cheaper. Because, you know, he is such a bird lover. 
Is that an EPA thing?

Pruit (and Perry) may be gone but their spirit lives on.

Trashing the environment for bungs is deplorable enough. Getting the policies to be executed by Beavis and Butthead is the ultimate f*%# you .
 
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Re: Tilting at windmills

December 25th, 2019, 6:57 pm

What about the Ramsar Convention?
 
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Re: Tilting at windmills

December 25th, 2019, 6:58 pm

Trump is a poet!

You Want to See A Bird Graveyard?
By D. Trump

I never understood wind.
You know, I know
windmills very much.
I have studied it
better than anybody
else. It’s very expensive.
They are made in China
and Germany mostly.
—Very few made here, almost none,
but they are manufactured, tremendous
—if you are into this—
tremendous fumes. Gases are
spewing into the atmosphere. You know
we have a world
right?

So the world
is tiny
compared to the universe.
So tremendous, tremendous
amount of fumes and everything.
You talk about
the carbon footprint
— fumes are spewing into the air.
Right? Spewing.
Whether it’s in China,
Germany, it’s going into the air.
It’s our air
their air
everything — right?

A windmill will kill many bald eagles.
After a certain number
they make you turn the windmill off.
That is true.
—By the way
they make you turn it off.
And yet, if you killed one
they put you in jail.
That is OK.

You want to see a bird graveyard?
You just go.
Take a look.
A bird graveyard.
Go under a windmill someday,
you’ll see
more birds
than you’ve ever seen
in your life.
 
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Re: Tilting at windmills

December 25th, 2019, 7:01 pm

Exxon Valdez 1986.

And ..Dutch-Brits Shell

Nigeria oil spills: Shell begins clean-up after 10-year delay

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/ ... 23508.html
 
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Re: Tilting at windmills

December 25th, 2019, 9:21 pm

I wasn't aware of the wind turbine threat to eagles and other protected species.
Seems like a legit issue to me  -- esp. when there is a proposed siting near a waterway.

So, it seems the worst energy economy threats to birds are wind turbines, offshore oil drilling, and oil spills in general.

BTW, for those interested in birds,  I highly recommend The Genius of Birds  -- am about half through this fascinating tale of bird smarts. Look up 'new caledonian crow' on youtube for classic examples.
 
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Re: Tilting at windmills

December 25th, 2019, 10:17 pm

So, the earth can die with a decent variety of birds or live with a deficit of eagles. Your choice.
 
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Re: Tilting at windmills

December 25th, 2019, 10:23 pm

For energy generation (excluding hydro), I'll guess California will make it to about 25% natural gas, 75% solar by mid-century, with  miniscule "other" including wind. I'll go with that -- and keep the eagles! 
 
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Re: Tilting at windmills

December 26th, 2019, 12:48 am

But that rests on the major assumption that the little boy in the White House won't just turn off anything that is not coal or oil, because they elect him.
 
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December 26th, 2019, 4:10 am

But that rests on the major assumption that the little boy in the White House won't just turn off anything that is not coal or oil, because they elect him.
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