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Re: FSU, Toby Young, Eugenics & Wilmott.com

February 21st, 2020, 8:52 am

What defamation? Toby Young is a white supremacist and attended a neo-nazi eugenics conference in London.

Exposed: London’s eugenics conference and its neo-Nazi links
 
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February 21st, 2020, 9:13 am

If you start with defamation there are limits to how seriously you can be taken. 
That's why I don't post anymore.
 
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February 21st, 2020, 9:57 am

There is no such thing as defamation in free speech. Is it free or not free?

Whether what you say is legal or not is a different matter.
 
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Re: FSU, Toby Young, Eugenics & Wilmott.com

February 21st, 2020, 10:31 am

What about the silent majority (like me and a few other comrades) who just want to talk about maths and PDE?
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Re: FSU, Toby Young, Eugenics & Wilmott.com

February 21st, 2020, 10:35 am

What about the silent majority (like me and a few other comrades) who just want to talk about maths and PDE?
Free-Boundary Union.

Even Paul may want to join that union :)
 
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February 21st, 2020, 10:52 am

Good, and add Moving boundary B  = B(t).
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Re: FSU, Toby Young, Eugenics & Wilmott.com

February 21st, 2020, 10:53 am

Good, and add Moving boundary B  = B(t).

BTW Free Boundary is too static, time-independent, like flooding of rivers. Maybe someone can explain it to Boris Johnson (latter-day dam busters). Of course, we have got out act together in NL.

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Re: FSU, Toby Young, Eugenics & Wilmott.com

February 21st, 2020, 1:50 pm

You haven’t had the pleasure of being sued for defamation have you?!

So, please also start a white supremacy thread!
1) just make sure you use commas and you'll be just fine! People have been hung for less.
2) see OT::70s music thread.
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Re: FSU, Toby Young, Eugenics & Wilmott.com

February 21st, 2020, 4:30 pm

There is no such thing as defamation in free speech. Is it free or not free?

Whether what you say is legal or not is a different matter.
Free speech allows opinions, insults, lies, etc. but not threats, harming reputations, etc. So defamation out, facts in. Saying someone went to a neo-Nazi conference is fine, if true. Not if false. If true then drawing conclusions from that is not.

Defamation is a civil matter, but with legal and, very expensive, remedy.
 
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Re: FSU, Toby Young, Eugenics & Wilmott.com

February 21st, 2020, 4:36 pm

If you start with defamation there are limits to how seriously you can be taken. 
That's why I don't post anymore.
Would you want to join FSU who would have you a member? It seems to be a club of men with "low ability and rich connections"

BTW don't confuse FSU with that other free speech coalition FSC.
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Re: FSU, Toby Young, Eugenics & Wilmott.com

February 21st, 2020, 4:41 pm

If you start with defamation there are limits to how seriously you can be taken. 
That's why I don't post anymore.
Would you want to join FSU who would have you a member? It seems to be a club of men with "low ability and rich connections"

BTW don't confuse FSU with that other free speech coalition FSC.
See, that's how you do it! A little insult here, a little reference to the porn industry there!

I am personally a "member" of that institution, but not under my real name obviously. Which reminds me, I haven't see you around the pools of LA recently, Cuch. (Or should I say, "Ulysses O'Toole"?)
 
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Re: FSU, Toby Young, Eugenics & Wilmott.com

February 21st, 2020, 5:22 pm

There is no such thing as defamation in free speech. Is it free or not free?

Whether what you say is legal or not is a different matter.
Free speech allows opinions, insults, lies, etc. but not threats, harming reputations, etc. So defamation out, facts in. Saying someone went to a neo-Nazi conference is fine, if true. Not if false. If true then drawing conclusions from that is not.

Defamation is a civil matter, but with legal and, very expensive, remedy.
Isn't defamation only defamation when it's based on lies, i.e. not based on facts? So if free speech allows lies as you write above, why not "defamation"? I think what you mean with free speech is "free" speech within legal confines, but that is not truly free.

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Re: FSU, Toby Young, Eugenics & Wilmott.com

February 21st, 2020, 5:28 pm

There's the commonly recognised concept of free speech. Then there's saying anything you feel like, which sounds like your sort of free speech! There are legal and civil limits to what one should say/write. Saying someone is a white supremacist is very high up on the defamation ladder, just one rung short of saying paedophile!

On the back cover of FAQQF1 there's a photo of me with a pile of books, I think one of those is a very thick tome on defamation. It's really not something you want to become an expert in!

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February 21st, 2020, 8:04 pm

I typed in "Free Speech Union" and Google gave me FSC as first hit,
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Re: FSU, Toby Young, Eugenics & Wilmott.com

February 21st, 2020, 8:09 pm

Hmm...your settings must be different from mine, big boy.
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