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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 18th, 2018, 4:48 pm

 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 21st, 2018, 2:10 pm

I don't think anyone has pointed out that the more chaotic the exit is then the more likely it is to unite the country. Adversity tends to bring people together, even enemies. Mind you I don't know if that works when one side blames the other for the adversity, as I shall do: The Remoaners have been actively undermining Brexit negotiations so the plague of locusts will be their fault.
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 21st, 2018, 7:36 pm

The good side of the Brexit negotiations mess is that it removes the illusions many British people had about the international clout of their country. The reality is:
- our partners in the EU are either indifferent or don't like us;
- our civil servants are often overpaid, elitist and cack-handed amateurs who mostly think about how to get this knighthood and CYA;
- our leaders are oscillating between indecision and bravado.

May's actually not the worst one, she lacks cunning, misreads people and makes errors of judgement, but at least she honestly tries to deliver the result of the referendum. On the other hand, BoJo buggered off from the government in June, betraying those of the Leave voters (I wasn't one of them) who trusted in his leadership (naive, I know).
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 23rd, 2018, 1:56 pm

Corbyn faces furious Labour backlash over backing Brexit
Jeremy Corbyn is facing a storm of criticism from Labour activists and MPs after suggesting he would press ahead with Brexit if the party won a snap general election.
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 23rd, 2018, 3:54 pm

Interesting that they're furious with him for sticking to Labour's 2017 GE manifesto.
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 23rd, 2018, 10:01 pm

It is interesting how variations on this particular question tend to cut straight through party lines and make a mockery of the basic notion of a representative democracy. Then again, when you try to apply some ad hoc direct democracy in its place, you rapidly realize why that is a generally bad idea...
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 25th, 2018, 5:00 pm

It's not a bad idea. It just needs to be employed responsibly. Either don't ask the question if you're not prepared for the answer, or if you ask and get the answer, do your best to act on it. The problem is not with the UK electorate, the problem is with the UK political class.
 
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 29th, 2018, 3:02 pm

We'll know soon enough, won't we?

DFDS ferries (Danish!) are laughing all the way to the bank. I use them each year. Let's hope they don't hike the prices.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/122 ... t-ferries/
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 29th, 2018, 3:29 pm

We'll muddle through :)
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 29th, 2018, 3:49 pm

A Final Say, where the decision of whether to actually leave the EU or stay in the EU on our current terms is taken by the people, is widely seen as the most likely and democratic next step for the country to take.
they had that vote already.
They want a mulligan
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 29th, 2018, 4:17 pm

It would make sense to have a popular vote between May's deal and no-deal exit - if the MPs cannot decide.
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 30th, 2018, 4:23 pm

We'll muddle through :)
That probably won't be sufficient. I'm not even sure if it is necessary.


https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1230/1019556-brexit/
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 30th, 2018, 4:25 pm

A Final Say, where the decision of whether to actually leave the EU or stay in the EU on our current terms is taken by the people, is widely seen as the most likely and democratic next step for the country to take.
they had that vote already.
They want a  mulligan
It's not written in stone. And Boris is not Moses. Admit you mighta hadda made a mistake given incomplete information. Beware false prophets.
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

December 30th, 2018, 4:40 pm

The obvious analogy you are avoiding is Moses coming down with the tablets, someone (the biblical equivalent of a remoaner) smashing them and chaos following.
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