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August 4th, 2004, 11:52 am

DCFC.. whats that got to do with Tyson.. You've regressed the issue. Yes I did add "rightly so..." because from Ali's moral (not morale..aka Marine) standpoint, he refused to do any active duty that involved the suffering of the vitenamese people. History has certainly judged him to be right. Ali is one of the most respected human beings because the wider world now respects his talent not only as a boxer but as a principled man.Moving on to Tyson.. will history be as kind to him? I doubt this..not because he is any lesser a boxer as Ali ( I would content that Tyson in his prime would have beaten Ali in the first round. 23 seconds to destroy Spinks-remember?) but because the rape allegation would always follow him around. This is my contention that those around Tyson have destroyed a supreme athelete.
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August 4th, 2004, 12:36 pm

vultures and blood suckers like king/Givens King is a blood sucker. He is arguably the best blood sucker in the world. So good is he at sucking blood that comedians use his vampire skills as angles for comedy routines. Sports columnists on a slow day pad out by talking about some of his most famous blood sucking.In short, if you go to King's office or Tyson's bedroom you're going to be screwed, and you won't like it. Anyone know the word for sexual deviances based upon blood ?Tyson is not the brightest person on the planet, but he would have known about King, he decided to take him on. King took loads of money, but even if he had worked for free Tyson would have just pissed it away in any case. King hyped up Tyson, and increased the pot. Is it better to get 99% of 100 million or 50% of 250 ?Givens was dumb, but not quite as dumb as those who think that rapists should go free if they are famous. If Tyson had been a poor bloke, black or white he'd be in jail still.I meant by the US in that most of its great Black Atheletes have had their sporting lives ruined by the state/press. If you rape or murder people, then it is the duty of the state to ruin their lives, whether they be black or white. Ironically Ali was not "ruined" by the state or media, but by the trash who controlled boxing.I mean that these sporting icons should be protected by the state. Their sporting lives carefully protected so that vultures and blood suckers like king/Givens "protected by the state". Oh wow. Would you want to be protected by the state ? If the FBI turned up on your doorstep to "protect" your 15 year old daughter who was good at ice skating would you be happy ? As you may recall ice skating is not risk free...Their sporting lives carefully protectedOne solution of course is that followed by the Soviet Union where all serious sportsmen were employees of the state. That didn't work out too well for anyone. How would you design a better system ?
 
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August 4th, 2004, 1:38 pm

I would ensure that as a world champion, you are assigned a state protection group: that ensures no undesirables are near you, all your monies are carefully managed by the top fund managers whose role is to ensure you have your capital + interest when you finally do give up the sport.No undesirables = types like King/GivensMangaged money as in: Types like Givens who had Tyson sign over his monies as a pre-requisite to marriage.Ensure that this does not happen.. also prevents sportsmen "pissing" money away.Fairly simple: encourages those from improverished backgrounds to make good and still have the majority of the cake left when they are finished...
 
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August 4th, 2004, 2:19 pm

would ensure that as a world champion, you are assigned a state protection group: that ensures no undesirables are near you,So the secret service treat you as a critical national asset. The mechanisms exist, but would be quite challenging. Boxers want to mix with the sort of people that the secret service are paid to keep away.Does the world champion get a choice in the matter ? all your monies are carefully managed by the top fund managers whose role is to ensure you have your capital + interest when you finally do give up the sport.I can see this being quite cool.A lot of fund managers would like the kudos of looking after the money of an A list celebrity. Come to think of it, why don't they do it already ?If I looked after Brad Pitt's money, it would be in my adverts, an obvious deal is endorsement for no fees.However, I think we both share a slight unease in the government "looking after" our money.No undesirables = types like King/GivensOK, King is easy. Givens is a lot more tricky.Lets just pass on her actions and look about what we know about the woman before.A respectable, mildly educated woman.There is no doubt that sex happened, and I feel there would be real problems with trying to stop boxers fucking pretty women who offered themselves to them. The only solution I can see is continuous video.Have you ever been at a bar with a celebrity ? They do get pestered by women, even the really minor ones I've bumped into.Mangaged money as in: Types like Givens who had Tyson sign over his monies as a pre-requisite to marriage.Tar pit time.What if she had kids ? You're biting into a big cake here. If this lady had 3 kids by Tyson, you're obviously not saying she should get nothing.Some wives do help their husbands, especially since 90% of women are smarter than 90% of professional sportsmen. Does this not merit reward ? Ensure that this does not happen.. also prevents sportsmen "pissing" money away.Hard to do.I can see a fund set up as an annuity, so that the sportsman has level income for expected life, and as he wins more, this level goes up.I also see value in a bomb proof trust, that basically guarantees that no matter what, his kids can go to college, he eats, gets his medical bills paid, and somewhere respectable to live. But I'd sell that to him, no government necessary.Fairly simple: encourages those from improverished backgrounds to make good and still have the majority of the cake left when they are finished... I fear we part company here. I think poor kids should be deterred from professional sport by all legal means available to the government.I might be in the top 5,000 in the world at what I do. I get a decent living at this. An equivalent boxer is a no good bum.Would you want to be the 5,000th best basketball player ?Same with any sport. For every Tyson, there are thousands of kids (often black and poor) who get sucked into a fantasy, and exploited without even having the fun that Tyson has had. I'd keep my life rather than his, I even seem to have slept with prettier women, and I never get hit by people who do it for a living. I also seem to be wealthier. I won, he lost.This fantasy takes poor kids away from studies or work that would give them a decent life. Other kids who have some chance are pushed by peer pressure into crap that has no value to them. I'm all for kids having fun, keeping fit, and playing rather than drugs or TV, but the vast number take sport far too seriously.
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August 5th, 2004, 2:47 pm

Do you think applying the Belt system to International football would work ?may make it more interesting rather than the current FIFA points.
 
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August 7th, 2004, 12:39 pm

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