QuoteOriginally posted by: MarineActually Warrior they were US Army! Big difference!Yes - it was the marines who did the torture at the airport not at the prison; that was the soldiers. In human rights abuse like real estate it's all about location location location.

I didn't hear about any abuse at the airport. Do you have a link for me please?

QuoteOriginally posted by: MarineI didn't hear about any abuse at the airport. Do you have a link for me please?http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/ ... 85,00.html

quote:Actually Warrior they were US Army! Big difference! Really.. I didnt know in the US you would distinguish betweeen a marine and a regular US army soilder?Are you not both representing the US of A????? Or is the Marine of a higher order that he represents a far nobler cause thereby excusing the need to be attached to any particular country?????I say the crimes perpertratred by the US/UK requires a far higher sentence because you were supposed to be there for a noble cause. It appears that the greatest trick the devil pulled was to convince the world he does not exisit

Warrior,If I throw you a bone will you go away?

Actually Warrior they were US Army! Big difference! How big a difference ?To be sure, the USMC is regarded as a mildly elite force, so you'd expect better discipline. But in this context it is totally irrelevant.Would the US have avoided bombing the Iraqi Marine corps because they were better ?No. They were the enemy, being elite actually made them more of a target, maybe some were nice guys, tough.Fact is that when people in American uniforms behave without honour, the relatives of the victims do not look too closely at the cap badges or the reporting structure of the US military. So widespread are the abuses, that I cannot believe that senior Marine Corps staff did not know. By remaining silent they made themselves accomplices. That is true, both in law and in the eyes of the Iraqi people.The opinion of Iraqis matter because these abuses have fuelled violence against American troops of all services.What we see is a whitewash. I don't give a fuck about what happens to the people caught, but their officers should be removed and in some cases imprisoned. As far as I am aware, not one single US officer is being prosecuted for dereliction of duty.

QuoteOriginally posted by: MarineWarrior,If I throw you a bone will you go away?Marine: sure man..after I've bitten a chunk out of your bony arse!If I gave you a camera could you take a picture?

As to whether the USA lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, I encourage comments on the following quote of Donald Rumsfeld taken from his testimony before Congress:"We know Saddam has weapons of mass destruction. We know where they are."For me the final part of this quote clinches the argument. It is not ambiguous. Matthew

wasn't it Rumsfeld who said the commies are taking over the world during the vietnam war? That paid for the shit the US did in vietnam (enough said on that one).. Same man appears 40 years later and says we know where Saddams Nukes are!!- justfies the shit the US is doing in Iraq..Will this man never die? The world might be a safer place .. take Bush and Blair with you..Guess the Devil is keeping him here in case he causes the same shit in hell!

QuoteOriginally posted by: DCFCWhat we see is a whitewash. I don't give a fuck about what happens to the people caught, but their officers should be removed and in some cases imprisoned. As far as I am aware, not one single US officer is being prosecuted for dereliction of duty.Dominic!May be we should outsource military justice too!

QuoteOriginally posted by: WarriorQuoteOriginally posted by: MarineWarrior,If I throw you a bone will you go away?Marine: sure man..after I've bitten a chunk out of your bony arse!If I gave you a camera could you take a picture?Guys, don't be so hard on him. Marines have huge egos (systematically cultivated during training) and that is good for the country. After all we want them to go places where we wouldn't, even in our worst nightmares.

May be we should outsource military justice too! What a fine proposal balaji !Actually, everyone but N. Korea and the USA already have.America genuinely believes that its troops can do no wrong and their system of military justice (like Guatanamo bay) is perfect, and beyond reproach.

QuoteOriginally posted by: balajiQuoteOriginally posted by: WarriorGuys, don't be so hard on him. Marines have huge egos (systematically cultivated during training) and that is good for the country. After all we want them to go places where we wouldn't, even in our worst nightmares.Tommy - Rudyard KiplingI went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I: O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away"; But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play, The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play, O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play. I went into a theatre as sober as could be,They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls! For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside"; But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide, The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide, O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide. Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleepIs cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bitIs five times better business than paradin' in full kit. Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?" But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll, The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll, O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll. We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints; While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind", But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind, There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind, O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind. You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our faceThe Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace. For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!" But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot; An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please; An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

Would this therefore make the USA an outlaw nation? Does fitting the legal definition of an "outlaw nation" undermine the moral authority of the USA in any way?MatthewQuoteOriginally posted by: DCFCMay be we should outsource military justice too! Actually, everyone but N. Korea and the USA already have.America genuinely believes that its troops can do no wrong and their system of military justice (like Guatanamo bay) is perfect, and beyond reproach.