QuoteOriginally posted by: mikebellRacial tensions have begun: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story ... 0.htmlThis is probably just the beginning.paki bashing used to be a popular hobby in britain.My idea of a fun night out is dinner with a lingerie model,but for the brits, a fun night out is 30 pints of lager, a curry, and some paki bashing

No, Muslim leaders are to weed out the fanatics and we'll simply deport them back to where they actually like to blow up things.Obviously that is easier said than done.It's early days, but at least two of the bombers appear to be people that didn't seem all that fanatical to their friends and family, and it doesn't seem likely that their religious leaders spotted anything.Of course "deport" is tricky when they are British citizens. This is not America, and we should not go down the path of stripping people of their citizenship, shipping them offshore, then torturing them becauseit's convenient to the politicians and security apparatus. Britain's craven atttitude to the human rights of it's moslem citizens who have fallen into the hands of the American gestapo makes it easier for those recruiting for terrorism.In any case, terrorists need stealth. Once discovered they can be monitored, and they will lead you to others and their caches of equipment.Will they transform from our immunity-system to an allergy?exneratunrisk has made a good point. It does seem to be the case that the British people who have been involved in terrorism are often well educated, often with a good technology base.If you have a lot of sensors, you get a lot of data, and filtering it is often beyond the poor sods who receive it. It isn't all that hard to see a variety of tactics based upon active measures as well as an understanding of the technology where you trigger the system frequently. You cause huge problems with evacuations, shutdowns etc, and of course the Police have to make really hard decisions about what to do when the alarm goes off. No way will they get that right anything like 100% of the time.

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperpaki bashing used to be a popular hobby in britain.My idea of a fun night out is dinner with a lingerie model,but for the brits, a fun night out is 30 pints of lager, a curry, and some paki bashingReally? I must be missing out on something! I shall have to dump the lingerie model straight away

QuoteOriginally posted by: DCFCNo, Muslim leaders are to weed out the fanatics and we'll simply deport them back to where they actually like to blow up things.Obviously that is easier said than done.It's early days, but at least two of the bombers appear to be people that didn't seem all that fanatical to their friends and family, and it doesn't seem likely that their religious leaders spotted anything.Of course "deport" is tricky when they are British citizens. This is not America, and we should not go down the path of stripping people of their citizenship, shipping them offshore, then torturing them becauseit's convenient to the politicians and security apparatus. Britain's craven atttitude to the human rights of it's moslem citizens who have fallen into the hands of the American gestapo makes it easier for those recruiting for terrorism.In any case, terrorists need stealth. Once discovered they can be monitored, and they will lead you to others and their caches of equipment.Perhaps they can be deported to USA. They like to blow things up there...Sorry that should read the US likes to blow things up in other countries.

QuoteFury at French minister's claimCLAIMS that members of the network that carried out last week's attacks in London had been arrested early last year were at the centre of a diplomatic spat between Britain and France last night. The French interior minister, Nicholas Sarkozy, said that affiliates of the four suicide bombers may have been detained, or otherwise be known to British authorities. He was speaking after a meeting of European Union home affairs ministers in Brussels agreed to UK plans to speed through a raft of EU-wide anti-terrorism laws by the end of the year. The 25 EU nations plan to retain telecoms data, create a European evidence warrant and exchange more information between law enforcement agencies. The French minister's claim drove Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, into an obvious fury. He insisted that it was "completely and utterly untrue" that any of the bombers has been arrested. "I am absolutely staggered he should make that assertion," Mr Clarke said. The Home Secretary insisted that at no point had he discussed the matter with the French minister. "Mr Sarkozy was inaccurate, shall I put it gently, in suggesting that there had been a discussion of this kind because there was not." French officials later insisted that Mr Sarkozy had been speaking on the basis of information gathered by French security services and not any conversation with Mr Clarke. British officials have admitted it is possible some people close to last week's bombers might have figured in earlier counter-terrorism operations, but not as central figures. One possibility is that Mr Sarkozy was referring to an international operation conducted last year that led to the arrests of terrorists in several countries, including Britain. Intelligence sources say Operation Crevice may have thwarted an attack on London last spring, the period to which Mr Sarkozy was referring. He also said there was a strong suspicion the explosives used in the bombings came from the Balkans or eastern Europe.

QuoteOriginally posted by: DCFCIf you have a lot of sensors, you get a lot of data, and filtering it is often beyond the poor sods who receive it. It isn't all that hard to see a variety of tactics based upon active measures as well as an understanding of the technology where you trigger the system frequently. You cause huge problems with evacuations, shutdowns etc, and of course the Police have to make really hard decisions about what to do when the alarm goes off. No way will they get that right anything like 100% of the time.It sounds trivial, but it is often supppressed: it is "easy" to make sytems, which create data from models. But to extract interpretable models fom data is not easy at all. My second interest (to QF) is industrial data mining. I am brave enough to analyse even complex processes like papermaking (predict quality features from process parameters). But I strictly do not claim, that I can (want to) analyse complex human behaviour (analytical customer behaviour modeling?). To do this, I want to see verified automatic methods and tools.

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: mikebellRacial tensions have begun: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story ... 0.htmlThis is probably just the beginning.paki bashing used to be a popular hobby in britain.My idea of a fun night out is dinner with a lingerie model,but for the brits, a fun night out is 30 pints of lager, a curry, and some paki bashing You are an imbecile aren't you.

QuoteOriginally posted by: StrangyQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: mikebellRacial tensions have begun: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story ... 0.htmlThis is probably just the beginning.paki bashing used to be a popular hobby in britain.My idea of a fun night out is dinner with a lingerie model,but for the brits, a fun night out is 30 pints of lager, a curry, and some paki bashing You are an imbecile aren't you.tpaper, kindly take yourself and your lame ass stereotypes for a hike would you? Tell us, what do Canadians do for fun and does it involve moose bashing? And lay off those tabloids would you? It is becoming rapidly apparent that you cannot read or understand anything above the level of the gutter press .

QuoteOriginally posted by: migalleyQuoteOriginally posted by: DCFCNo, Muslim leaders are to weed out the fanatics and we'll simply deport them back to where they actually like to blow up things.Obviously that is easier said than done.It's early days, but at least two of the bombers appear to be people that didn't seem all that fanatical to their friends and family, and it doesn't seem likely that their religious leaders spotted anything.Of course "deport" is tricky when they are British citizens. This is not America, and we should not go down the path of stripping people of their citizenship, shipping them offshore, then torturing them becauseit's convenient to the politicians and security apparatus. Britain's craven atttitude to the human rights of it's moslem citizens who have fallen into the hands of the American gestapo makes it easier for those recruiting for terrorism.In any case, terrorists need stealth. Once discovered they can be monitored, and they will lead you to others and their caches of equipment.Perhaps they can be deported to USA. They like to blow things up there...Sorry that should read the US likes to blow things up in other countries.Another idiot. Where are you from migalley?

QuoteOriginally posted by: DCFCNo, Muslim leaders are to weed out the fanatics and we'll simply deport them back to where they actually like to blow up things.Obviously that is easier said than done.It's early days, but at least two of the bombers appear to be people that didn't seem all that fanatical to their friends and family, and it doesn't seem likely that their religious leaders spotted anything.Of course "deport" is tricky when they are British citizens. This is not America, and we should not go down the path of stripping people of their citizenship, shipping them offshore, then torturing them becauseit's convenient to the politicians and security apparatus. Britain's craven atttitude to the human rights of it's moslem citizens who have fallen into the hands of the American gestapo makes it easier for those recruiting for terrorism.In any case, terrorists need stealth. Once discovered they can be monitored, and they will lead you to others and their caches of equipment.It's pretty obvious when these people go for religious training in Pakistan, what is really going on. They're being brainwashed with hate towards innocent people in the West, at least these guys were. I feel an investigation of these so-called religious training camps is in order, long overdue and entirely imminent...

I thought this was an interesting article in the Economist:What turns a man into a terrorist?QuoteAntoine Sfeir, has identified relations between the sexes as a big factor in the re-Islamisation of second-generation Muslims in Europe. Because young Muslim women often do better than men at adapting to the host society (they tend to do better at school, for example), old patriarchal structures are upset and young men acquire a strong incentive to reassert the old order.

QuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeIt's pretty obvious when these people go for religious training in Pakistan, what is really going on. They're being brainwashed with hate towards innocent people in the West, at least these guys were. I feel an investigation of these so-called religious training camps is in order, long overdue and entirely imminent...Were these 4 trained in Pakistan or Britain? I haven't had much free time to follow this...Also, I heard on news that cameras spotted these four happily chatting before they boarded these busses/trains. What kind of a psychopath is not scared/nervous before blowing himself up??? Nuts.

QuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeQuoteOriginally posted by: StrangyQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: mikebellRacial tensions have begun: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story ... 0.htmlThis is probably just the beginning.paki bashing used to be a popular hobby in britain.My idea of a fun night out is dinner with a lingerie model,but for the brits, a fun night out is 30 pints of lager, a curry, and some paki bashing You are an imbecile aren't you.tpaper, kindly take yourself and your lame ass stereotypes for a hike would you? Tell us, what do Canadians do for fun and does it involve moose bashing? And lay off those tabloids would you? It is becoming rapidly apparent that you cannot read or understand anything above the level of the gutter press .He is the ulimate TPM. toilet paper moron. What a racist!

QuoteOriginally posted by: mikebellQuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeIt's pretty obvious when these people go for religious training in Pakistan, what is really going on. They're being brainwashed with hate towards innocent people in the West, at least these guys were. I feel an investigation of these so-called religious training camps is in order, long overdue and entirely imminent...Were these 4 trained in Pakistan or Britain? I haven't had much free time to follow this...Also, I heard on news that cameras spotted these four happily chatting before they boarded these busses/trains. What kind of a psychopath is not scared/nervous before blowing himself up??? Nuts.At least one went to Pakistan for religious training - I saw his Uncle on the news last night. And they got nervous - witness on bus said he saw an agitated young man dipping into his bag at least 20 times before he blew himself (and others) up...