QuoteOriginally posted by: crowlogicWhat does religion have to do with emotion? Complexity arises from nature. Now, some say that nature is god, etc, I guess that can be one way of looking at it. Anyhow, religion is just memes handed down through time which were thought of by other people, not supernatural beings. "Something" had to occur before the big bang. If that something was god, or some alien civilization, or some natural occurance, or some never ending cycle.. who knows, I personally believe it to be unknowable, and thus useless to speculate on outside of what science can tell us about the natural world.QuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeQuote"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines." Bertrand Russell Where does that leave human emotion, pray tell? Are we no more than quasi-random biochemistry? What's the point Bertrand?NOPE!!! Altough I am Catholic..I do not "believe" there is a "GOD" (it can exist, I cannot say..what kind of catholica Am I? I do not know,,,I am still fighting against all the wrong ideas I was taught when I was a child...In a fence, there...some thing I would like to "believe" most, I just DON"T) anyway overhere now:The Universe could, in principle need no "extra" anything...it could be the one and only true "closed container" for entropy purposes, if so, it could just expand up to certain point, then come back (geteing to reverse entropy situation) toward the "original egg" and explode again and repeat this for infiniters tiems (maybe each time, a differente universe get "creates"..sort of a random process that we are experience only one "view".Maybe it is even a nonlinear process!! so each time it could take longer or shorter or it is decreasing or increasing in energy...maybe one of these "days" it just do not have the necesasry energy to explode back and it just stop there or it just expand and die. etc. etcNot need for a GOD here.But....what is GOD is just having fun with a universe like that?

QuoteOriginally posted by: MaeloQuoteOriginally posted by: crowlogicWhat does religion have to do with emotion? Complexity arises from nature. Now, some say that nature is god, etc, I guess that can be one way of looking at it. Anyhow, religion is just memes handed down through time which were thought of by other people, not supernatural beings. "Something" had to occur before the big bang. If that something was god, or some alien civilization, or some natural occurance, or some never ending cycle.. who knows, I personally believe it to be unknowable, and thus useless to speculate on outside of what science can tell us about the natural world.QuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeQuote"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines." Bertrand Russell Where does that leave human emotion, pray tell? Are we no more than quasi-random biochemistry? What's the point Bertrand?NOPE!!! Altough I am Catholic..I do not "believe" there is a "GOD" (it can exist, I cannot say..what kind of catholica Am I? I do not know,,,I am still fighting against all the wrong ideas I was taught when I was a child...In a fence, there...some thing I would like to "believe" most, I just DON"T) anyway overhere now:The Universe could, in principle need no "extra" anything...it could be the one and only true "closed container" for entropy purposes, if so, it could just expand up to certain point, then come back (geteing to reverse entropy situation) toward the "original egg" and explode again and repeat this for infiniters tiems (maybe each time, a differente universe get "creates"..sort of a random process that we are experience only one "view".Maybe it is even a nonlinear process!! so each time it could take longer or shorter or it is decreasing or increasing in energy...maybe one of these "days" it just do not have the necesasry energy to explode back and it just stop there or it just expand and die. etc. etcNot need for a GOD here.But....what is GOD is just having fun with a universe like that?Ah yes. But where does heaven fit in to this picture ?

Maelo,Long time no see. (Thank you for your posting on my old thread.) The World is not closed but it's open. From outer world, all the evils are coming. If not so, why are we so tortured? With my limited ability, I cannnot see God, feel God, or engage in mission work as an evangel. But I definitely say I am talking with evils every day.

A straightforward mesh of theology and quantum theory would be to say that God is inside Schroedinger's box, which can only open when the observer dies.

QuoteOriginally posted by: TunitoMaelo,Long time no see. (Thank you for your posting on my old thread.) The World is not closed but it's open. From outer world, all the evils are coming. If not so, why are we so tortured? With my limited ability, I cannnot see God, feel God, or engage in mission work as an evangel. But I definitely say I am talking with evils every day.You must pray my son.

QuoteOriginally posted by: exotiqA straightforward mesh of theology and quantum theory would be to say that God is inside Schroedinger's box, which can only open when the observer dies.No, God is around when you are alive - you haven't been listening, have you ? He was here at the beginning (In the beginning there was the Word and the Word was God) and He will be here at the end. He is the alpha and the omega. Quantum theory is merely a part of His grand design, maybe (does God play dice?)

Exotiq,I have observed (i.e. accurately speaking, read through) Schroedinger's box (http://crs.uvm.edu/nnco/cd/Unit4a2h.htm) right now. According to your saying, I will die in a day or two.Please pray what you believe in. (please do not tell his/her name.)Thanks.

QuoteOriginally posted by: TunitoMaelo,Long time no see. (Thank you for your posting on my old thread.) The World is not closed but it's open. From outer world, all the evils are coming. If not so, why are we so tortured? With my limited ability, I cannnot see God, feel God, or engage in mission work as an evangel. But I definitely say I am talking with evils every day.Evil is not coming from outer world my friend. Good and Evil exists here within each one of us. The choices that we make manifests itself into some cases evil and good. Look around you, in present and in past you will find many such examples.

QuoteOriginally posted by: devilishEvil is not coming from outer world my friend. Good and Evil exists here within each one of us. The choices that we make manifests itself into some cases evil and good. Look around you, in present and in past you will find many such examples.If your saying is true, please call me "Half Devil Half Angel Tunito" from now on.

QuoteOriginally posted by: TunitoQuoteOriginally posted by: devilishEvil is not coming from outer world my friend. Good and Evil exists here within each one of us. The choices that we make manifests itself into some cases evil and good. Look around you, in present and in past you will find many such examples.If your saying is true, please call me "Half Devil Half Angel Tunito" from now on.Ah, it's a constant battle. No one said it was going to be easy...

QuoteOriginally posted by: devilishQuoteOriginally posted by: TunitoMaelo,Long time no see. (Thank you for your posting on my old thread.) The World is not closed but it's open. From outer world, all the evils are coming. If not so, why are we so tortured? With my limited ability, I cannnot see God, feel God, or engage in mission work as an evangel. But I definitely say I am talking with evils every day.Evil is not coming from outer world my friend. Good and Evil exists here within each one of us. The choices that we make manifests itself into some cases evil and good. Look around you, in present and in past you will find many such examples.YEAH! That's John's Gospel!! You know "Thre is good and bad in everyone...la, la,..."

Exotiq; Devilish,Two days have passed since then. But I am still alive like the song "I Am Alive" by E.L.O. How do you explain about this or do you come to kill me?

Dear Wilmott Geniuses:I believe in the original (i.e. not fake or plagiarizing) musicians only. Beatles, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Ricky Martin, Dick Lee, and FanFan are some of them. Any sort of people other than original musicians have fake in them per se.

QuoteOriginally posted by: TunitoDear Wilmott Geniuses:I believe in the original (i.e. not fake or plagiarizing) musicians only. Beatles, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Ricky Martin, Dick Lee, and FanFan are some of them. Any sort of people other than original musicians have fake in them per se.Is this not a topic for a new thread ??And sort your English out while you're at it pal. I hear hamilton's offering relatively cheap lessons.

Joe,Music (i.e. tunes) costs nil. Just compose it and sing or perform it. It is much cheaper than Hamilton's lesson in philosophy.