February 13th, 2003, 2:36 pm
I'm not yet convinced that they are so slow in operational use... basically, a lot of the underlying stuff is of log order in the size of the number - I guess computer people prefer to say that it's linear in the number of digits. Suppose you have a great big number and you want to factor it. It's a simplifying assumption to assume that the thing only has two factors. But, where do you start looking? Thing is, # of prime factors that are candidates is really sqrt(N) / 2log N... and that's way too many to check. You can reduce the number modulo any prime you want, and find some things out (i.e. if N = pq, then N mod r = (p mod r) . (q mod r) mod r). But the strength of these kinds of algebraic rules is quite weak. You can do similar things with elliptic curves... can't really remember how that goes, but that's where the strongest stuff to date is found. But at the end of the day, we're still a long way from the solution.I have looked for answers on the analytical side of the fence. Instead of asking exactly what primes are the factors, can you at least give some probability distributions, so that you don't spend all day looking in the wrong place? You could take the range [N - g, N + g], and try to come up with all the prime factors in this range... i.e. the key is to do some averaging. But g = g(N), and in order to get anything at all you will need g to be pretty big as compared with N.It should be said that most of what we have on the analytical side is not 'constructive' in the mathematical sense - i.e. the sieve theories might tell you that you are pretty close to solving Goldbach, but wouldn't tell you what the actual numbers are. It's a little like Heisenberg - which is really just an issue with Fourier transforms. You might be able to show that the density is positive, but not know at the very same time where the mass is.
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kr on February 12th, 2003, 11:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.