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Conditional Expectation Problem

July 26th, 2011, 5:28 pm

Hi All,I am stuggling to understand what this question is trying to get at..Let X~N(0,1) a normally distributed random variable mu = 0, sigma = 1. suppose now x E R, x >0 find the upper and lower bound of the conditional expectation of X for E(X|X>=x)Here X and x are different and not a typo.First thoughts was to just compute the integral with the limits 0<x<infinity but this obviously leads to just a number, and no inequality. I then started treating the two parts X and X>=x as two random variables not really much help there either.. My final thoughts was looking at the known inequalities such as Chebyshev's inequality etcand these tend to be single bound from above... Im not looking for the solution by any means just a gentle push in the right direction please..
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Conditional Expectation Problem

July 27th, 2011, 3:48 am

I think you need to first find a conditional probability for Xand compute the expectationThis will give the expectation as a function of x, then find the bounds ofthat function?The problem on pp.40 of Zhou's book is solved for x=0 case with a smallmistake which was addressed by him on the book's website.
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Conditional Expectation Problem

July 27th, 2011, 9:48 am

Basically, this is Expected Shortfall for a standard normal variable. This is dealt with, for example, in Embrechts/Frey/McNeil - Quantitative Risk Measurement, Example 2.18.
 
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Conditional Expectation Problem

July 28th, 2011, 12:51 am

The conditional probability density function is when X > x and 0 otherwisewhere f is the normal pdf and N is the normal cdf.You can use this to find the expectation in the standard fashion.
 
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July 28th, 2011, 1:10 am

P(R<r) = P(X<r & X>a)/P(X>a) = P(X<r)*I(r>a)/(1-Phi(a))=> f_R = f_x(r)/(1-Phi(a))*I(r>a)integrate from a to inf x*f_X = exp(-a^2/2)/sqrt(2*pi)i.e.E R = exp(-a^2/2)/(sqrt(2*pi)*(1-Phi(a))Tested it; seems to be right. Edit: Should have refreshed the page before posting (thus seeing bwarrens post), given the activity here lately I did not think that it would be necessary...
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July 28th, 2011, 1:23 am

Right, the expectation iswith f the normal pdf and N the normal cdf.
 
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Conditional Expectation Problem

July 28th, 2011, 7:39 am

Cheers guys for the hints. I have had a look at cdfs now, and looking at the problem again I think the "survival" test is the route forward in obtaining some limit to the conditional expectation. Once again thankyou for the help..
 
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Conditional Expectation Problem

September 1st, 2011, 1:36 pm

On the same subject, you can compute quantities like E(W_t|W_s > 0) where 0<s<t and W_t is a standard BM.
 
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Conditional Expectation Problem

May 19th, 2013, 3:53 pm

Hi all, I have a question that is related to the subject, it comes from wider problem but getting some clarity in this question would help solve the original one. Could anyone tell me what is the value ( a brief demonstration would be really appreciate) of E[dW_t | S_T] where T>t and S_t is a conventional GBM.Thank you very much.
 
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Conditional Expectation Problem

May 19th, 2013, 6:05 pm

QuoteHi all, I have a question that is related to the subject, it comes from wider problem but getting some clarity in this question would help solve the original one. Could anyone tell me what is the value ( a brief demonstration would be really appreciate) of E[dW_t | S_T] where T>t and S_t is a conventional GBM.Thank you very much.
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May 19th, 2013, 6:32 pm

Even though I accept the criticism I consider rude to categorize me as a Trol... please, I only behave with one of the 9 possible behaviors of the troll, in this scenario and considering that I am new, perhaps ingenuity or simply ignorance in how to approach this forum may apply. I genuinely believed that my question applied to the topics whose forums I wrote.
 
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May 20th, 2013, 9:54 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: pgarciajaramilloEven though I accept the criticism I consider rude to categorize me as a Trol... please, I only behave with one of the 9 possible behaviors of the troll, in this scenario and considering that I am new, perhaps ingenuity or simply ignorance in how to approach this forum may apply. I genuinely believed that my question applied to the topics whose forums I wrote.**Joined: Jun 2012 Fair enough. Maybe 'spammer'. But trollers use 'flooding by excessive posting' and 'violating policies', and these are well known on Wilmott. ...But 9 times the same question is kind of unique. What's the rationale for doing this? Plan B is to create your own thread just ONCE and let people respond if and when they want.
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May 20th, 2013, 2:01 pm

Yes, now it is clear to me how to approach the forum. I didn't have in mind the policies (being one year since I signed in). Yesterday being really the first time using it, I had a different expectation about the dynamics of the forum that led me to spread my question as much as I could between the discussions whose genders I thought applied. I am sorry, it wasn't mi intention to disrupt the environment of the forum.
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May 20th, 2013, 2:15 pm

The test is:If pgarciajaramillo is not his name then he might be a troll.If pgarciajaramillo is his real name then he's not very smart, but not a troll.P
 
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May 20th, 2013, 9:42 pm

Haha, unfortunately... is the second one.