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should I consider the ccxy basis in the valuation of a FX Fwd? a concrete example

June 24th, 2013, 3:49 pm

Hello,I am facing the valuation of the following hypothetic FX fwd and I wonder if I should take into account the ccxy basis.I am a EUR bank and I issue: GBPUSD FX fwd I am valuing the FX fwd in euros in the following way:value in GBP=(mkt quote of the GBPUSD Fwd-Strike)*Notional in GBP*exp(-rUSD*T)value in EUR = value in GBP * (EURUSD Spot FX rate)I wonder if I should consider the USD-EUR ccxy basis in the discount rate rUSD above or any other effects to take into account that I am a european bank and the instrument is denominated in a different currency. Would it be different if the FX fwd were a NDF?Please any feedback would be appreciated!Thanks,
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should I consider the ccxy basis in the valuation of a FX Fwd? a concrete example

June 24th, 2013, 4:47 pm

What are the terms of the CSA under which the FX fwd has been transacted? Specifically, what ccy is the collateral?
 
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June 25th, 2013, 6:58 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: MartinghoulWhat are the terms of the CSA under which the FX fwd has been transacted? Specifically, what ccy is the collateral?Hello,Thanks for your reply.It is a non collateralized FX fwd.Thank you,
 
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June 25th, 2013, 12:47 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: miscelaniaQuoteOriginally posted by: MartinghoulWhat are the terms of the CSA under which the FX fwd has been transacted? Specifically, what ccy is the collateral?Hello,Thanks for your reply.It is a non collateralized FX fwd.Thank you,So you have direct, uncollateralized exposure to the counterparty? You'll have to get creative then and use a discount rate that takes into account the riskiness of the counterparty (using CDS, bond yield, what have you).
 
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June 25th, 2013, 1:21 pm

OK. Thanks very much for your reply.In case it were collateralized (for instance in EUR) what difference would it make?Thank you
 
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June 25th, 2013, 2:32 pm

Then you'd apply a x-ccy basis-adjusted OIS rate, I guess. It also depends on what rates your traded fx fwd price is based on.
 
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June 25th, 2013, 3:07 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: MartinghoulQuoteOriginally posted by: miscelaniaQuoteOriginally posted by: MartinghoulWhat are the terms of the CSA under which the FX fwd has been transacted? Specifically, what ccy is the collateral?Hello,Thanks for your reply.It is a non collateralized FX fwd.Thank you,So you have direct, uncollateralized exposure to the counterparty? You'll have to get creative then and use a discount rate that takes into account the riskiness of the counterparty (using CDS, bond yield, what have you).OK Thank you.Regarding your previous answer.Would you discount non collateralized derivatives with a credit spread? Instead, I thought that your discount factor should reflect your cost of funding... Or smthg like that...(I do not understand exactly the reason for these funding costs) Thank you
 
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June 25th, 2013, 3:14 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: miscelaniaOK Thank you.Regarding your previous answer.Would you discount non collateralized derivatives with a credit spread? Instead, I thought that your discount factor should reflect your cost of funding... Or smthg like that...(I do not understand exactly the reason for these funding costs) Thank youSo I have tried to discuss this somewhat philosophical point on other threads. Your choice of the discount rate depends on whether you're marking-to-mkt or not (or some sort of a blend). I am not sure I can find the old thread, but it's here somewhere.
 
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June 26th, 2013, 6:30 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: MartinghoulQuoteOriginally posted by: miscelaniaOK Thank you.Regarding your previous answer.Would you discount non collateralized derivatives with a credit spread? Instead, I thought that your discount factor should reflect your cost of funding... Or smthg like that...(I do not understand exactly the reason for these funding costs) Thank youSo I have tried to discuss this somewhat philosophical point on other threads. Your choice of the discount rate depends on whether you're marking-to-mkt or not (or some sort of a blend). I am not sure I can find the old thread, but it's here somewhere.OK. Thanks. If you found the thread by some chance and if you wouldn't mind to point it out I would be grateful.
 
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June 26th, 2013, 6:49 pm

This might be it, if my memory doesn't fail me...consistent valuation
 
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June 28th, 2013, 7:01 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: MartinghoulThis might be it, if my memory doesn't fail me...consistent valuationOK thank you