Certainly being underpriced is a marketing issue...As a serious marketeer will tell you, marketing is not just advertising, it is picking the right product for the right market.Some people advertise themselves well, but may find themselves in an illiquid or falling market, and I think we both know that those two things have a positive correlation.I recently saw a film of the crash of the Hindenburg airship, where the people on board a burning bag of hydrogen had to judge the moment to jump as a function of dropping onto concrete or burning, some career decisions are like that.

The question of how much crap to take is an important one, take too little and you will be viewed as a difficult person and not a team player. Take too much and you will be viewed as a doormat and wuss.on a scale on 1-10 (10 is the most crap) you should take no more than a 4 or 5. Otherwise you will lose the respect of your boss, co-workers and self.

QuoteOriginally posted by: AnalyticalVegaThe question of how much crap to take is an important one, take too little and you will be viewed as a difficult person and not a team player. Take too much and you will be viewed as a doormat and wuss.on a scale on 1-10 (10 is the most crap) you should take no more than a 4 or 5. Otherwise you will lose the respect of your boss, co-workers and self.What you are rationalizing is called "hazing". It is indulged in by people who view their underlings as having few options. Another term of that behavior called "Bullying" and it looked down upon when children engage in it. If you bully you see people as trapped. If you tolerate "bullying" you are trapped. People who indulge in it do not deserve respect and their respect should not be coveted unless you are suffering from some corporate version of the "Battered Wife Syndrome".

QuoteOriginally posted by: capafan2QuoteOriginally posted by: AnalyticalVegaThe question of how much crap to take is an important one, take too little and you will be viewed as a difficult person and not a team player. Take too much and you will be viewed as a doormat and wuss.on a scale on 1-10 (10 is the most crap) you should take no more than a 4 or 5. Otherwise you will lose the respect of your boss, co-workers and self.What you are rationalizing is called "hazing". It is indulged in by people who view their underlings as having few options. Another term of that behavior called "Bullying" and it looked down upon when children engage in it. If you bully you see people as trapped. If you tolerate "bullying" you are trapped. People who indulge in it do not deserve respect and their respect should not be coveted unless you are suffering from some corporate version of the "Battered Wife Syndrome".I am NOT rationalizing hazing. It's a matter of degree and hazing would be a 10 on my scale.

QuoteI am NOT rationalizing hazing. It's a matter of degree and hazing would be a 10 on my scale.In that case what happens at level 4-5. Things like staying late regularly, working sometimes on the weekend is something all high earners should expect. No one ever got rich working 40 hours a week. People who complain about that are just wussies. I don't think that the expectation that people should take ownership is bad at all. But you did worry about losing respect for tolerating 10 level (hazing). Actually it is not the victim who deserves to lose respect in this scenario (like blaming the raped for wearing provocative clothing), it is the perpetrators. The boss who perpetrates such behavior is a deviant. The one who allows such behavior to go on is a weak bastard.

QuoteOriginally posted by: capafan2QuoteI am NOT rationalizing hazing. It's a matter of degree and hazing would be a 10 on my scale.In that case what happens at level 4-5. Things like staying late regularly, working sometimes on the weekend is something all high earners should expect. No one ever got rich working 40 hours a week. People who complain about that are just wussies. I don't think that the expectation that people should take ownership is bad at all. But you did worry about losing respect for tolerating 10 level (hazing). Actually it is not the victim who deserves to lose respect in this scenario (like blaming the raped for wearing provocative clothing), it is the perpetrators. The boss who perpetrates such behavior is a deviant. The one who allows such behavior to go on is a weak bastard.No one forces anyone to spend 12 hrs a day under the strip lights in front of the screens. We choose to do it. Someone who drinks 10 pints of piss at a frat night also chose to do it. Who is it that is calling bully all the time? That is the question.Reality is, in the sphere that you are talking about, no has to put up with it.

QuoteOriginally posted by: capafan2QuoteI am NOT rationalizing hazing. It's a matter of degree and hazing would be a 10 on my scale.In that case what happens at level 4-5. Things like staying late regularly, working sometimes on the weekend is something all high earners should expect. No one ever got rich working 40 hours a week. People who complain about that are just wussies. I don't think that the expectation that people should take ownership is bad at all. But you did worry about losing respect for tolerating 10 level (hazing). Actually it is not the victim who deserves to lose respect in this scenario (like blaming the raped for wearing provocative clothing), it is the perpetrators. The boss who perpetrates such behavior is a deviant. The one who allows such behavior to go on is a weak bastard.Yeah..it's just that many people are worked very hard with no hope of ever getting rich. Management lies to them with verbal promises of bonuses and promotions that never happen. so on my scale of abuse you should not take. 6- Being blamed for something you're not responsible for or that is outside of your control.7- Being promised things that never happen.8- Being told to work many additional hours and weekends permanently for no additional compensation of any kind.10- Being told to bend over while they rape up the ass with a broomstick.