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Why do we generally take log returns?

June 23rd, 2014, 3:29 pm

Why exactly do we generally take log returns of share prices for instance rather than the actual value of the return?
 
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Why do we generally take log returns?

June 23rd, 2014, 3:32 pm

Not sure you understand what is going on. We take the log of the ratio of asset price at two time points as the return.
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Why do we generally take log returns?

June 23rd, 2014, 4:30 pm

Why this and not p2/p1 - 1? I usually respond with "because log-returns are additive", but why should a non-mathematician care?
 
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Why do we generally take log returns?

June 23rd, 2014, 5:05 pm

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Why do we generally take log returns?

June 23rd, 2014, 6:29 pm

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Why do we generally take log returns?

June 23rd, 2014, 11:39 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaWhy this and not p2/p1 - 1? I usually respond with "because log-returns are additive", but why should a non-mathematician care?There's a few of "intuitive" ways to look at it:1. Log returns are symmetric for losses and gains whilst with the p2/p1 - 1, a 50% loss requires a 100% gain to break-even.2. The sum of the log returns on each day of the week is the log return for the week.3. The sum of the log returns for a series of losses will never make prices negative4. Mathematicians are simple folk who prefer addition.
 
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Why do we generally take log returns?

June 24th, 2014, 7:18 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaWhy this and not p2/p1 - 1? I usually respond with "because log-returns are additive", but why should a non-mathematician care?There's a few of "intuitive" ways to look at it:1. Log returns are symmetric for losses and gains whilst with the p2/p1 - 1, a 50% loss requires a 100% gain to break-even.2. The sum of the log returns on each day of the week is the log return for the week.3. The sum of the log returns for a series of losses will never make prices negative4. Mathematicians are simple folk who prefer addition. 1. Symmetry is overrated2. the product of simple return (p2/p1-1) for each day of the week is the weekly return3. the product of simple return for a series of losses will never make a price negative4. mathematicians are simple folk who prefer addition.
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Why do we generally take log returns?

June 24th, 2014, 7:26 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaWhy this and not p2/p1 - 1? I usually respond with "because log-returns are additive", but why should a non-mathematician care?There's a few of "intuitive" ways to look at it:1. Log returns are symmetric for losses and gains whilst with the p2/p1 - 1, a 50% loss requires a 100% gain to break-even.2. The sum of the log returns on each day of the week is the log return for the week.3. The sum of the log returns for a series of losses will never make prices negative4. Mathematicians are simple folk who prefer addition. 1. Symmetry is overrated2. the product of simple return (p2/p1-1) for each day of the week is the weekly return3. the product of simple return for a series of losses will never make a price negative4. mathematicians are simple folk who prefer addition.LOL!How about we do the multiplication with a slide rule. That way everyone is happy!
 
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Why do we generally take log returns?

June 24th, 2014, 9:08 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaWhy this and not p2/p1 - 1? I usually respond with "because log-returns are additive", but why should a non-mathematician care?There's a few of "intuitive" ways to look at it:1. Log returns are symmetric for losses and gains whilst with the p2/p1 - 1, a 50% loss requires a 100% gain to break-even.2. The sum of the log returns on each day of the week is the log return for the week.3. The sum of the log returns for a series of losses will never make prices negative4. Mathematicians are simple folk who prefer addition. 1. Symmetry is overrated2. the product of simple return (p2/p1-1) for each day of the week is the weekly return3. the product of simple return for a series of losses will never make a price negative4. mathematicians are simple folk who prefer addition.eh. this isn't true. If I make 10% on Mon and 10% on Tue, I haven't made 1% overall.% returns are confusing.
 
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Why do we generally take log returns?

June 24th, 2014, 9:21 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: chewwyQuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaWhy this and not p2/p1 - 1? I usually respond with "because log-returns are additive", but why should a non-mathematician care?There's a few of "intuitive" ways to look at it:1. Log returns are symmetric for losses and gains whilst with the p2/p1 - 1, a 50% loss requires a 100% gain to break-even.2. The sum of the log returns on each day of the week is the log return for the week.3. The sum of the log returns for a series of losses will never make prices negative4. Mathematicians are simple folk who prefer addition. 1. Symmetry is overrated2. the product of simple return (p2/p1-1) for each day of the week is the weekly return3. the product of simple return for a series of losses will never make a price negative4. mathematicians are simple folk who prefer addition.eh. this isn't true. If I make 10% on Mon and 10% on Tue, I haven't made 1% overall.% returns are confusing.of course it isn't true - but the return for n periods is the same as the product of 1 + the individual period returns minus 1 i.e.[$] r_n = \prod_1 ^n (1+r_i) - 1[$]
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