Now humour me: You decide to vote Democrat. Why would you then pick Sanders? Clearly if even 2008-Obama couldn't get hope and change done, grandpa from New England ain't gonna either. Instead you'll want the evil career-politician, the dead-inside Washington insider who's been around since always, that knows all the tricks. Nope, this will not usher in a new age of socialism but at least you'll get a small portion from your wishlist done. And that is literally all there is to win.CM

LOL!Perhaps one prefers someone who will get nothing done to either the evil career-politician or the evil megalomaniac.

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaLOL!Perhaps one prefers someone who will get nothing done to either the evil career-politician or the evil megalomaniac.But that is childish. You'll end up with nothing. There is no idealism. It's just not there. Seriously, look at those suckers:

You are sitting on a knife-edge ridge running east-west and then you are given three choices, jump north, jump south, or do nothing. I take the "end up with nothing" choice to the jump off a cliff choices.When a candidate arises that isn't likely to f*ck-over the country, I'll vote for them.

Hillary is a socialist as well. As for "if even 2008-Obama couldn't get hope and change done", it's not that he "couldn't get hope and change done", but rather that he was able to run on a vague platform of "hope and change"Rush Limbaugh: "Barack Obama ran on nebulous platitudes. Hope and change. Obama was an empty canvas. Basically you could make Obama whatever you wanted. He ran on nothing"Paul W Smith who does the morning show on WJR talk radio in Detroit used to say that people thought Obama was going to pay their mortgages for them.When push comes to shove, there isn't much difference between a liberal (or socialist) intervenionist like Hillary and big government republicans like the Bush boys. Rush Limbaugh: The Perfect Ticket: Clinton-BushRush makes the point that Jeb and Hillary agree on (for starters): what to do about illegal immigration and amnestyCommon Core, public education curriculumfully implementing Obamacare

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaYou are sitting on a knife-edge ridge running east-west and then you are given three choices, jump north, jump south, or do nothing. I take the "end up with nothing" choice to the jump off a cliff choices.When a candidate arises that isn't likely to f*ck-over the country, I'll vote for them.So you are an enthusiastic supporter of Sanders based on the fact that you think he's completely incompetent and won't do anything. Didn't think of this angle.

No, T4A uses Venn diagrams

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperHillary is a socialist as well. As for "if even 2008-Obama couldn't get hope and change done", it's not that he "couldn't get hope and change done", but rather that he was able to run on a vague platform of "hope and change"Rush Limbaugh: "Barack Obama ran on nebulous platitudes. Hope and change. Obama was an empty canvas. Basically you could make Obama whatever you wanted. He ran on nothing"Paul W Smith who does the morning show on WJR talk radio in Detroit used to say that people thought Obama was going to pay their mortgages for them.When push comes to shove, there isn't much difference between a liberal (or socialist) intervenionist like Hillary and big government republicans like the Bush boys. Rush Limbaugh: The Perfect Ticket: Clinton-BushRush makes the point that Jeb and Hillary agree on (for starters): what to do about illegal immigration and amnestyCommon Core, public education curriculumfully implementing ObamacareHmmm... Let see how Rush's statements work on another candidate:Rush Limbaugh: "Donald Trump ran on nebulous platitudes. Anger and change. Trump was an empty canvas. Basically you could make Trump whatever you wanted. He ran on nothing"One can tell from Trump's boondoggle wall and hilarious notion of forcing Apple to hire a bunch of Bubbas, he's just going to say whatever gets him elected.P.S. I agree about Clinton & Bush.

QuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintNow humour me: You decide to vote Democrat. Why would you then pick Sanders? Clearly if even 2008-Obama couldn't get hope and change done, grandpa from New England ain't gonna either. Instead you'll want the evil career-politician, the dead-inside Washington insider who's been around since always, that knows all the tricks. Nope, this will not usher in a new age of socialism but at least you'll get a small portion from your wishlist done. And that is literally all there is to win.CMCos you believe in a new Socialist world order? Just ask Jeremy Corbyn. I hear the Greeks are interested. You heard it here first...

The moment when Sanders will have to endorse Clinton. This is going to be fun.https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/

QuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintNow humour me: You decide to vote Democrat. Why would you then pick Sanders? Clearly if even 2008-Obama couldn't get hope and change done, grandpa from New England ain't gonna either. Instead you'll want the evil career-politician, the dead-inside Washington insider who's been around since always, that knows all the tricks. Nope, this will not usher in a new age of socialism but at least you'll get a small portion from your wishlist done. And that is literally all there is to win.CMCouldn't or didn't really try to?BTW, are we really talking about the same "grandpa" who's been a senator for 30 or so years?

QuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaQuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintNow humour me: You decide to vote Democrat. Why would you then pick Sanders? Clearly if even 2008-Obama couldn't get hope and change done, grandpa from New England ain't gonna either. Instead you'll want the evil career-politician, the dead-inside Washington insider who's been around since always, that knows all the tricks. Nope, this will not usher in a new age of socialism but at least you'll get a small portion from your wishlist done. And that is literally all there is to win.CMCouldn't or didn't really try to?BTW, are we really talking about the same "grandpa" who's been a senator for 30 or so years?I'm not so cynical to believe that Obama somehow "scammed" his voters, I believe he actually wanted change to occur and be truly bipartisan and work together across the aisle. Once he realised this approach wouldn't work he had lost some of his support which resulted in the 2010 midterms, which in turn led to him getting blocked constantly which disillusioned his supporters -- and himself.That being said almost all of Sanders ideas are so radical in comparison that they would never work out without support from the house and/or senate which he doesn't have. So it's pure, stupid, wishful thinking: Let's break up the banks! Let's kill tuition! Free health care for all! This sounds great. But it's never going to be transformed into reality, because reality is messy. It's just wishful thinking.

QuoteYou decide to vote Democrat. Why would you then pick Sanders?Ask the folks in Vermont. They love him there.

QuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintQuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaQuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintNow humour me: You decide to vote Democrat. Why would you then pick Sanders? Clearly if even 2008-Obama couldn't get hope and change done, grandpa from New England ain't gonna either. Instead you'll want the evil career-politician, the dead-inside Washington insider who's been around since always, that knows all the tricks. Nope, this will not usher in a new age of socialism but at least you'll get a small portion from your wishlist done. And that is literally all there is to win.CMCouldn't or didn't really try to?BTW, are we really talking about the same "grandpa" who's been a senator for 30 or so years?I'm not so cynical to believe that Obama somehow "scammed" his voters, I believe he actually wanted change to occur and be truly bipartisan and work together across the aisle. Once he realised this approach wouldn't work he had lost some of his support which resulted in the 2010 midterms, which in turn led to him getting blocked constantly which disillusioned his supporters -- and himself.That being said almost all of Sanders ideas are so radical in comparison that they would never work out without support from the house and/or senate which he doesn't have. So it's pure, stupid, wishful thinking: Let's break up the banks! Let's kill tuition! Free health care for all! This sounds great. But it's never going to be transformed into reality, because reality is messy. It's just wishful thinking.2010 midterms results were the kunst of gerrymandering afaik and Obama did obamacare. I think the reality you perceive is a projection of your inner self. Try some joga, change your diet, ...

QuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaQuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintQuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaQuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintNow humour me: You decide to vote Democrat. Why would you then pick Sanders? Clearly if even 2008-Obama couldn't get hope and change done, grandpa from New England ain't gonna either. Instead you'll want the evil career-politician, the dead-inside Washington insider who's been around since always, that knows all the tricks. Nope, this will not usher in a new age of socialism but at least you'll get a small portion from your wishlist done. And that is literally all there is to win.CMCouldn't or didn't really try to?BTW, are we really talking about the same "grandpa" who's been a senator for 30 or so years?I'm not so cynical to believe that Obama somehow "scammed" his voters, I believe he actually wanted change to occur and be truly bipartisan and work together across the aisle. Once he realised this approach wouldn't work he had lost some of his support which resulted in the 2010 midterms, which in turn led to him getting blocked constantly which disillusioned his supporters -- and himself.That being said almost all of Sanders ideas are so radical in comparison that they would never work out without support from the house and/or senate which he doesn't have. So it's pure, stupid, wishful thinking: Let's break up the banks! Let's kill tuition! Free health care for all! This sounds great. But it's never going to be transformed into reality, because reality is messy. It's just wishful thinking.2010 midterms results were the kunst of gerrymandering afaik and Obama did obamacare. I think the reality you perceive is a projection of your inner self. Try some joga, change your diet, ...obamacare indeedQuoteThe Republicans' 63-seat pickup in the House to take control of that chamber, as well as their gain of six Senate seats, signified a dramatic rollback of recent Democratic gains. In the election, Republicans won their greatest number of House seats since 1946. This has been attributed to the continued economic recession, as well as President Obama's controversial stimulus and health care reform bills