QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: ThinkDifferentbut what is the point of prohibiting the use of a performance enhancing drug if it shows no adverse impact on health? e.g. steroids are banned since they obviously improve performance, but at the same time, if abused, they can have negative impact on health. meldonium was widely used as a medical drug for years in Russia. mainly by elderly people. and it is has zero to none side effects. why not banning creatine then, or amino acids supplements? they do help with recovery too.see section 9QuoteThe WADA Prohibited List endeavours to capture as many known substances and methods that satisfy any two of the following three criteria:1. Potential to enhance or enhances sports performance2. An actual or potential health risk to the athlete3. Use violates the spirit of sport (outlined in the Code)Substances or methods which mask the effect of prohibited substances are also prohibited. In addition, a substance which has not been approved for human use is likely to be prohibited as well.I'm with you on meldonium. I've got a strong suspicion that it's been banned mostly because it's used mostly by Russian athletes (and others from the former soviet block)Indeed! I'd hypothesize (not bet with such a serious wagerer as you) that the concept of "banning" is left over from the Cold War when freedom-loving Americans believed that evil communists were force feeding their athletes with dangerous and secret drugs. P.S. Water, salt, glucose, and many other everyday substances fail two of the three criteria!

QuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaQuoteOriginally posted by: ThinkDifferentbut what is the point of prohibiting the use of a performance enhancing drug if it shows no adverse impact on health? e.g. steroids are banned since they obviously improve performance, but at the same time, if abused, they can have negative impact on health. meldonium was widely used as a medical drug for years in Russia. mainly by elderly people. and it is has zero to none side effects. why not banning creatine then, or amino acids supplements? they do help with recovery too. BTW, last time I checked there was no proper statistical or clinical evidence of creatine effectiveness.well it is widely used in strength/endurance sports. what kind of statistical evidence are you looking for?

QuoteOriginally posted by: ThinkDifferentQuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaQuoteOriginally posted by: ThinkDifferentbut what is the point of prohibiting the use of a performance enhancing drug if it shows no adverse impact on health? e.g. steroids are banned since they obviously improve performance, but at the same time, if abused, they can have negative impact on health. meldonium was widely used as a medical drug for years in Russia. mainly by elderly people. and it is has zero to none side effects. why not banning creatine then, or amino acids supplements? they do help with recovery too. BTW, last time I checked there was no proper statistical or clinical evidence of creatine effectiveness.well it is widely used in strength/endurance sports. what kind of statistical evidence are you looking for?Yeah, twenty trillion flies can't be wrong...

QuoteOriginally posted by: ThinkDifferentQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnMy judo trainer used to train 8 hours a day. That got him 2 gold medals (heavyweight + open categories) at the Munch Olympics. Nowadays??Four Russian Judo Wrestlers 'Test Positive For Meldonium' I hope u being sarcastic. I can ask my folks to buy some meldonium and send it over to you. See how it improves your kata guruma technique :)That might help. I had to learn that throw for nage-no-kata. With advancing years I don't get further than de ashi bari and sasae-tsurikomi ashi. Even tomoe-nage is a far-distant memory. Does trainer Gamba know about that carry-on?When you have technique you don't need drugs; here the finals again Kuznetsov and East German Glahn.. Nowadays, judo is like applied sambo, it's so dreary.1972

QuoteOriginally posted by: ThinkDifferentQuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaQuoteOriginally posted by: ThinkDifferentbut what is the point of prohibiting the use of a performance enhancing drug if it shows no adverse impact on health? e.g. steroids are banned since they obviously improve performance, but at the same time, if abused, they can have negative impact on health. meldonium was widely used as a medical drug for years in Russia. mainly by elderly people. and it is has zero to none side effects. why not banning creatine then, or amino acids supplements? they do help with recovery too. BTW, last time I checked there was no proper statistical or clinical evidence of creatine effectiveness.well it is widely used in strength/endurance sports. what kind of statistical evidence are you looking for?The evidence would entail getting the health and training records of those who took it and a matched set of records for those have not taken it. It's a natural experiment although not a very good one and not sufficient for FDA approval because it can't rule out placebo effects (e.g., athletes on meldonium that train harder or recover faster because they think they can) or selection bias effects (e.g, some medical condition that causes some athletes to take the drug and other to not take it).

It's no experiment, it's argumentum ad populum, a disgusting logical fallacy! For ThinkPad -- if anything, the appeal to authority of this wikipage should convince him...

not convinced by your broken link and an arrogant demeanor.but convinced by this "Regardless of the form, supplementation with creatine has regularly shown to increase strength, fat free mass, and muscle morphology with concurrent heavy resistance training more than resistance training alone."And this"Several high-quality studies have shown an increase in muscle mass with creatine use. However, some weaker studies have reported mixed results. Overall, the available evidence suggests that creatine does increase lean body mass, strength, and total work. "and this"Most studies indicate that creatine supplementation may be an effective and safe way to enhance performance of intermittent high-intensity exercise and to enhance adaptations to training. "

Now you're talking...

having said that, I've never felt that creatine helps.I'd rather use meldonium haha

Mo Farah distanced from Jama Aden after controversial coach is arrested in doping raid QuoteBritish Athletics has insisted Mo Farah is no longer associated with a controversial athletics coach who was present at the double Olympic champion?s training sessions last year and was arrested by Spanish police on Monday morning after performance-enhancing drugs were found in a colleague's room in his hotel during a dawn raid.(snip)Telegraph Sport has learned that erythropoietin (EPO) was found in the room of one of Aden?s physiotherapists, who was also arrested. Organising or promoting doping is a criminal offence in Spain, where culprits are liable to face up to two years in prison.Twenty-five of Aden?s athletes are currently undergoing drug testing conducted by Spanish anti-doping officials in collaboration with the International Association of Athletics Federation.(snip)Aden, who was based in Sheffield for a number of years with his British-born wife, left Somalia as a teenager and has built up a reputation as one of the most well-respected coaches in global athletics.As well as coaching Ethiopia?s Genzebe Dibaba, who broke the 1,500m world record last year, Aden has also been present at training sessions for Britain?s Mukhtar Mohammed for a number of years. kudos to the spanish for busting a drug cheat

so Russia has been booted from track and field at the Rio Olympics but individual athletes can compete (under the IOC flag?) if they can "prove" themselves clean by enhanced testing and having no links to "known" dopers.This is wrong. The same standard should apply to everyone.If enhanced testing is available, it should be applied to everyone, not just Russians, because the implication is that dopers are slipping through the standard testsAnd there are athletes in other countries with links to "known" dopers. There was a story the other day about a coach who used to present at British athlete Mohammed Farah's training sessions being arrested because of EPO.

World heavyweight boxing champ denies drug claims after failing a drug testanabolic steroidsbritish boxerhe holds the WBA, WBO and The Ring titles, but not WBC or IBF

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperWorld heavyweight boxing champ denies drug claims after failing a drug testanabolic steroidsbritish boxerhe holds the WBA, WBO and The Ring titles, but not WBC or IBF"King of the Gypsies"

Sir Bradley Wiggins protests his innocence
past winner of the Tour de France
He was revealed by the hackers last week to have had a Therapeutic Use Exemption to use performance enhancing drugs
It seems he made some remarks in his autobiography that appear to be untrue

The leak led to intense scrutiny of Wiggins being given TUEs to inject triamcinolone to treat allergies, something that appeared to contradict comments in his own autobiography in which he said he had “never” used needles other than for vaccinations or when requiring a drip.