QuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: ExSanQuoteOriginally posted by: outrunDear friends, friends don't let friends use eclipse.I like the idea of putting a price tag on bad software based on degradation of productivity. Eg in one of the office I work, 200 people wait for windows to boot every day for 15 minutes. 200/8/4= 6 FTE =$500.000it says for Java only. what IDE are U using for C/C++ in Linux/Windows ?Eclipse for Java is OK imo. and it is free, this guy, IntellijIDEA is not

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QuoteOriginally posted by: outrunWell I have very negative experiences with Eclipse myself, I think it wasted about 50% of time. I use simple tools like a handy and responsive text editor, and good build scrips, and I now longer have to wait for booting and UI responses, try to get plugins working. Moreover I'm more productive when I'm not *frustrated* by tools.I once did ~ 1997 (as student) a course in Java for fun and used Notepad. The others use a fancy IDE that took 10 minutes to run. LOL. Maybe it was Eclipse version 0.3?

ExSan: "IntelliJ IDEA Community Edition is the open source version of IntelliJ IDEA": http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/free_java_ide.htmloutrun: takes a bit of getting used to all with no tooltips on mouse hover by default (although you can turn it on nowadays, I've ended up using the key combination way instead).On a sidenote, I don't like start-up times for any of the IDEs I can think of, including {Visual Studio, IntelliJ IDEA, Eclipse}.Even the less-featured Code::Blocks is too slow for my taste.In contrast, text editors (a notepad+syntax highlighting on Windows, vi(m) on POSIX) are instantaneous in this regard.AFAIR, Visual Studio was _much_ snappier in its pre-.NET years...I think that the start-up times should be _aggressively_ optimized -- IMO that's one of the major productivity-affecting bugs in the IDEs nowadays -- and it looks like the idea of counting on the "CPUs will just keep getting faster" hope being fulfilled and holding forever might have turned out to be a classic example of (premature?) pessimization after all..

QuoteIn contrast, text editors (a notepad+syntax highlighting on Windows, vi(m) on POSIX) are instantaneous in this regard.EMACSQuoteAFAIR, Visual Studio was _much_ snappier in its pre-.NET years...That's just your mind playing games with you.This was fastMake sure to do CTRL-S regularly.

Ah, Turbo C++ was awesome :-)Now that you mention it, I also recall blazing fast Turbo Pascal compile times ...and then came the folks who misunderstood Knuth's quote on optimization and forgot that Moore was talking about transistor count (and not GHzs)...

QuoteOriginally posted by: PolterAh, Turbo C++ was awesome :-)Now that you mention it, I also recall blazing fast Turbo Pascal compile times ...and then came the folks who misunderstood Knuth's quote on optimization and forgot that Moore was talking about transistor count (and not GHzs)...Yeah, that Turbo was cool (it even had templates when MS were using macros)

I just realized the Eclipse IDE project is still alive. Out of curiosity, are finance and ML people using it ?  Don't laugh at me lol