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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 8th, 2020, 10:52 am

and what is the obsession in health care that one must have food every day, several times a day even? most people have more than enough fat to be at least 30 days without any food (well country and age dependent etc.). To process food takes lots of energy. If body do not want food, may be it is the body that is smart and save energy to fight virus?. Several reports have told one covid symptom is lack of taste. Is this not a general symptom of many diseases, even strong flue etc? body gives signal it need energy (it already have plenty off, take a look in the mirror first) to fight the virus?

people put on ventilators are they also forced on food intravenously?

most people can go many weeks without any food. Not a recommendation, just a fact!


germany NHS uses fasting in part of their medicine...not sure if they even tried it on covid patients
 
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 8th, 2020, 1:29 pm

Sweden and Norway very similar in public health system, with exception on strategy. Sweden twice the population of Norway. Quite strict on social distancing in Norway, Sweden have much more loose strategy here
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It is unclear what strategy will be best in the long run for whole country (for individuals it is mostly binary), have we just delayed the problem in norway? Especially now that they consider loosen up here. Some argue one should keep lock down for about 2 years, when they expect vaccine is widely available, others argue for the Swedish strategy..

Norwegians in their own boat even crossing into the Swedish part of the fjord now have to be 14 days in quarantine. the sea is patrolled now also!
 
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 8th, 2020, 10:32 pm

"Coronavirus: low antibody levels raise questions about reinfection risk"

"Scientists in Shanghai say some recovered patients show no signs of the neutralising proteins"

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3078840/coronavirus-low-antibody-levels-raise-questions-about

interestingly "and most of those with low antibody levels were young"

hearing of several that had recovered from Covid in scandinavia also getting ill with likely covid again. Yes young people (could be some survival ship bias here also, hard to translate to English as it not gives the same meaning there..)

S type versus L type? minimal immunity? tested false postive second time and have got flue?....time will tell

The living will see (people that still has liver as one friend told me)
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 8th, 2020, 11:10 pm

Covid is not immune towards gravity! 
 
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 8th, 2020, 11:33 pm

Endgame:

1. Vaccine
2. Cure/treatment
3. Open the schools
4. Open parks
5. Protect vulnerable only
6. Restrict social interactions differently (e.g. only meet three new people per day)
7. Back to work for everyone except in high-interaction jobs
8. Etc..
 
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 9th, 2020, 6:11 pm

I imideately scaled up on D3 when Covid pandemic started, just because the risk reward as a possible put option was very high based on my previous study off it, seems to not be that stupid

"A recent review suggested using vitamin D loading doses of 200,000–300,000 IU in 50,000-IU capsules to reduce the risk and severity of COVID-19" 

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/4/988/htm

Avoid any D3 supplement with also A vitamin if plan  to take high dose. I ordered from USA, in Norway the dosages are minuscule, and some supplements here I noticed not well marked, years ago I noticed in very small print some had A vitamin in addition (can be very toxic in high dose, even deadly). 

In Norway long tradition to take D supplements (fish oil traditional, but also then have too be very careful with dosage as also can contain other vitamins not good in high dose) in all months ending with R (months with minimal skin exposure to sunlight).    I just extend it one month this year, or perhaps 2.

Do also countries where there is more sun now, and in additional the people expose their skin to the sun have lower incidents of covid death, any stats ?

It could be important to have skin in the game(sun)!

Soon D vitamins could sell out also?  3 packs of toilet roll for 1 D3 50k IU capsule?
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 9th, 2020, 6:23 pm

Sunlight, Nutrition, and Health Research Center, P.O. Box 641603, San Francisco, CA 94164-1603, USA
GrassrootsHealth, Encinitas, CA 92024, USA

Hmm...
 
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 9th, 2020, 6:29 pm

Endgame 8 (following Collector): Humans hibernate through winter months
 
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 9th, 2020, 6:30 pm

sure no guarantee it works...it is just considerably studies that not have been able to show side effects from D3 in quite large dosages...  and in a large study some years ago on many vitamins they concluded no vitamin supplements had benefits for people with "standard diet" in Norway, except D vitamins...many vitamins supplements even seemed harmful. Well there are so many types of vitamins, etc...who knows.    

So the question is what is the risk of getting Covid, what is impact of getting Covid (in your age), and is this good to include in part of the possible protective package with no known side effects (??) and possible good benefits?
 
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 9th, 2020, 6:42 pm

Endgame 8 (following Collector): Humans hibernate through winter months
Many do it already.
 
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 9th, 2020, 6:46 pm

Study confirms vitamin D protects against colds and flu

"The investigators found that daily or weekly supplementation had the greatest benefit for individuals with the most significant vitamin D deficiency (blood levels below 10 mg/dl) — cutting their risk of respiratory infection in half ..."

https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i6583

just saying. If this also should be relevant for covid, then isolation in apartments (without D supplements or sun) is possibly not the smartest of all strategies out there...
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 9th, 2020, 6:57 pm

No vitamin deficiency is good, but it doesn't mean you should overdose. Be careful - high doses are not well tested.
 
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 9th, 2020, 7:02 pm

sunbathing gives good indication of dose. 400 I.U. as in many supplements here is nothing.

"When an adult wearing a bathing suit is exposed to one minimal erythemal dose of UV radiation (a slight pinkness to the skin 24 h after exposure), the amount of vitamin D produced is equivalent to ingesting between 10,000 and 25,000 IU." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3356951/

"Vitamin D insufficiency affects almost 50% of the population worldwide." people have swapped walks in the forest and field work with social media...

data show that 32% of Americans suffer from vitamin D insufficiency

Vitamin D deficiency has been recognized as a pandemic with a myriad of health consequences


Is it too much to ask P.W. to hold back picture evidence of his new sun bathing regime ?
 
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 9th, 2020, 8:02 pm

Somewhere I have one of those 1970s tanning lamps. Should I use that?

Can't they make computer monitors that give you the necessary UV light?
 
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Re: How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

April 9th, 2020, 10:36 pm

"Somewhere I have one of those 1970s tanning lamps. Should I use that?"

post pictures when u find it and use it!!

The second suggestion could be worth patenting if no one did it yet! whops looks like u are too late, but did it ever take off?

Computer Tan!!

Timing is everything, just call it Anti Corona Computer Tan!