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Re: Biden and Harris - the first 100 days

December 28th, 2023, 12:21 pm

I have never heard of any particular person being associated with the beginning of the silliness. It apparently first took root in England, and I would bet that they can point to a bible verse or two as evidence of the 'prophecy.'
Definitely not. I know the Bible very well, not only the truncated Protestant Bible, but also the other canons. There is nothing even close to such a statement. Of course I know who made it, but this knowledge is not for atheists.
 
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Re: Biden and Harris - the first 100 days

December 28th, 2023, 1:19 pm



Definitely not. I know the Bible very well, not only the truncated Protestant Bible, but also the other canons. There is nothing even close to such a statement. Of course I know who made it, but this knowledge is not for atheists.
Gamal, what about Mathew 24:32 ... 24:34? Doesn't it imply something which could be interpreted along the lines above? 
 
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Re: Biden and Harris - the first 100 days

December 28th, 2023, 1:56 pm

Leptoq, it's not your book, stay away.
 
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Re: Biden and Harris - the first 100 days

December 28th, 2023, 4:27 pm

I have never heard of any particular person being associated with the beginning of the silliness. It apparently first took root in England, and I would bet that they can point to a bible verse or two as evidence of the 'prophecy.'
Definitely not. I know the Bible very well, not only the truncated Protestant Bible, but also the other canons. There is nothing even close to such a statement. Of course I know who made it, but this knowledge is not for atheists.
Now, don't underestimate the ability of some of these worthies to bend the bible to their needs!

I think it might be Deuteronomy 30:1-5 that they refer to:

30 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
So, what could "multiply thee above thy fathers" possibly mean if not the Second Coming?
Notably, I think every version of the "first Israel, then Jeebus" "prophecy" includes that the Jews will convert to Christianity ... or in some versions that they will have that opportunity and will get eternal damnation if they don't jump at it.
 
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Re: Biden and Harris - the first 100 days

December 28th, 2023, 5:08 pm

I put the question to ChatGPT (biblical sources); it mostly directs one to a wikipedia entry on Christian Zionism, which is quite interesting.
 
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Re: Biden and Harris - the first 100 days

December 28th, 2023, 5:16 pm

Leptoq, it's not your book, stay away.
Rude and arrogant statement, Mr. Gamal, 
  1. You make assumptions about my religious beliefs without any factual data
  2. The protagonist in the Book which you call "yours" promotes the concept of inclusivity 
It makes me doubt if you actually understood anything in "your" Book which you claimed to read. 
 
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Re: Biden and Harris - the first 100 days

December 28th, 2023, 6:30 pm

Leptoq, it's not your book, stay away.
Rude and arrogant statement, Mr. Gamal, 
It's your way, isnt't it?
 
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Re: Biden and Harris - the first 100 days

December 28th, 2023, 8:30 pm

yeah, you can't make a silk purse from a sow's lug.
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Re: Biden and Harris - the first 100 days

December 28th, 2023, 11:13 pm

I have never heard of any particular person being associated with the beginning of the silliness. It apparently first took root in England, and I would bet that they can point to a bible verse or two as evidence of the 'prophecy.'
Definitely not. I know the Bible very well, not only the truncated Protestant Bible, but also the other canons. There is nothing even close to such a statement. Of course I know who made it, but this knowledge is not for atheists.
Now, don't underestimate the ability of some of these worthies to bend the bible to their needs!

I think it might be Deuteronomy 30:1-5 that they refer to:

30 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
So, what could "multiply thee above thy fathers" possibly mean if not the Second Coming?
Notably, I think every version of the "first Israel, then Jeebus" "prophecy" includes that the Jews will convert to Christianity ... or in some versions that they will have that opportunity and will get eternal damnation if they don't jump at it.
Complete nonsense.
 
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Re: Biden and Harris - the first 100 days

December 29th, 2023, 1:29 am

And you think that disqualifies it from being an integral part of some of the Christian Zionists' belief system -- ?
 
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Re: Biden and Harris - the first 100 days

December 29th, 2023, 8:43 am

No, it's fine. I respect all religions. You can believe in anything, even the non-existence of God. I just wanted to meet the founding prophet of this mumbo jumbo about the American duty to serve Israel. It's a very powerful and dangerous religion. Pure curiosity.
 
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Re: Biden and Harris - the first 100 days

December 29th, 2023, 12:07 pm

Maybe the "invisible hand" mumbo jumbo..
 
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Re: Biden and Harris - the first 100 days

December 29th, 2023, 3:42 pm

I put the question to ChatGPT (biblical sources); it mostly directs one to a wikipedia entry on Christian Zionism, which is quite interesting.
This is not exactly what I had in mind. Of course, in the 19th century and before, there were Christians who supported Jewish settlement in Palestine and even a Jewish state. Now that state exists and no one denies it. Rather, I asked about the unconditional support for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians through some mumbo jumbo "Christian" rhetoric. This is typical of American Protestants and no one else.
 
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