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Dook
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December 20th, 2002, 6:47 am

Aaron,That's why I thought Anthis meant the pay-off is only the last throw...
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December 20th, 2002, 4:06 pm

Good point So you think that if each roll has expected payoff of 1.5$ then N rolls worth N*1.5$But do you think that the option to quit has no value in any potential scenario of the game?Think this: In a game of 6 rounds, in the first three rolls you have brought three times a big number then the average accumulated pofit at that point in time is in the range of 12$ to 18$ or in more general terms you have accumulated profit higher than 6*1.5$=9$. Wouldnt you exercise your option to exit?RegardsAnthis
 
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December 20th, 2002, 4:31 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: AnthisSo you think that if each roll has expected payoff of 1.5$ then N rolls worth N*1.5$. But do you think that the option to quit has no value in any potential scenario of the game? Think this: In a game of 6 rounds, in the first three rolls you have brought three times a big number then the average accumulated pofit at that point in time is in the range of 12$ to 18$ or in more general terms you have accumulated profit higher than 6*1.5$=9$. Wouldnt you exercise your option to exit?If I am risk-neutral, no, because on average I will make $4.50 from the last three rolls.If I am risk-averse then I'm more likely to quit when I'm down a lot. Say I lose $9 on the first three rolls so I'm out $18. I might choose to quit rather than risk losing $27, which I might not be able to afford.
 
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December 23rd, 2002, 3:59 am

QuoteIf we play many such games each with a large number of rounds (dice throws per game), what would be the average duration of a game? Duration = number of dice throws per game.Yes. Anthis & Aaron are right. As Aaron pointed out, it's a textbook problem - a waiting time (or first arrival) problem. Of course, from the standpoint of the game it doesn't make much sense if we play such that the number of rounds is large - you pay $6 and keep rolling till you hit a 6, and get your $6 back......
 
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April 22nd, 2004, 10:42 pm

Hey guys!Just had a phone interview and was asked to solve the "dice problem" this thread is about....Here is my solution using conditional expectation: where X is a dice outcome and E[X1] = 3.5. The reasoning is the following: if the first outcome is less than the price of n-1 - step game, then we continue to play and have n-1 steps more....price of n-1 game we know, it's E(X_{n-1}). The rest is clear.It gives the same answer as the formula suggested by Aaron....but somehow I don't quite understand how to derive the other formula.Couldn't do it during the phone interview by the way...and got rejected.....
 
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April 23rd, 2004, 1:38 pm

Your formula is more general, it covers any distribution for the gamble. Mine covers only the specific case of six equal-probability outcomes.To get my formula, rewrite your formula conditional on rolling a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6. One of your probabilities will be 1 and one will be 0 in each case. In place of the conditional expectation, use the roll number itself. Add all six results together and you get my formula.