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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 14th, 2017, 7:35 pm

It can only be that Flynn was told by Trump to make the call.
Trump was informed about this a month ago, he sat on it.
 
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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 14th, 2017, 9:23 pm

let's remember that general flynn served as Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency in the obama administration.

trump has been praised for having a variety of points of view amongst his national security team, but there seems to be a power struggle going on in that team.
supposedly pence was the one who pushed flynn
pence, I don't care for and never did. He was put on the ticket to get establishment republicans to vote for trump, but there's too big a difference between what he believes and what trump believes.
It brings back memories of reagan having bush I on the ticket, and that ended badly with bush I becoming president

the milltary-industrial complex and the neocons need an enemy worthy of its mettle, and russia seems to be their pick (there's a great quote from a neocon to that effect in one of pat buchanan's books from a decade ago, the neocon saying that the US needed an enemy in order to hold the coalition of neocons and actual conservatives together).

flynn seems to be a hawk on iran but moderate on russia, and that meant he had to go.
 
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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 14th, 2017, 9:40 pm

Insiders Attempt To Overturn The Election With Attack On Flynn
“Recall that in 1984 Senator Ted Kennedy approached the Soviet government about aid in defeating Ronald Reagan’s reelection. He offered them diplomatic and arms control concessions if they would help install Walter Mondale in the White House. Not surprisingly, Kennedy gets a pass if not a conspiratorial wink of assent from the guardians of democracy in the press. Naturally, they assume all partisans work with foreign governments to achieve their electoral aims.”
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Unanswered is this: What would be wrong with Flynn discussion sanctions with Kislyak? What law could he have broken? Over the weekend the know-nothing press, eager to pound General Flynn with any rhetorical weapon at hand, made breathless references to potential violations of the Logan Act—a 1799 law that prohibits American citizens from negotiating with foreign powers without authorization. No one has ever been convicted under the Act and Flynn most certainly did not violate it. But that wasn’t the point of the allegation and it’s not the point of the coordinated attack on Flynn. This is the politics of personal destruction as practiced by the Left since the Clinton ascendancy in 1992. It’s a scorch the earth, burn the huts and salt the fields strategy used to intimidate and silence adversaries: use an allegation or smear no matter how far-fetched or unfounded in order to gain a tactical advantage in the news cycle. Wash, rinse, repeat. And if you string together enough little wins maybe you get a major victory
 
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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 14th, 2017, 9:51 pm

the FBI reviewed the transcripts of the calls and said there was nothing wrong, it was the CIA who were out for blood
 
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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 14th, 2017, 10:08 pm

Former Obama Officials, Loyalists Waged Secret Campaign to Oust Flynn

FBI needs to explain why Flynn was recorded, Intelligence Committee chairman says
The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee said Tuesday that the most significant question posed by the resignation of national security adviser Michael Flynn is why intelligence officials eavesdropped on his calls with the Russian ambassador and later leaked information on those calls to the press.
 
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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 15th, 2017, 3:54 pm

Gee, do you think it might be because the Russian ambassador's called are monitored as part of the ongoing election interference investigation?? 

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/ ... -statement
 
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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 15th, 2017, 4:20 pm

... and no one in their right minds would resign when not guilty, they would want to establish innocence, proof those bad bad newspapers to be wrong
 
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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 15th, 2017, 6:05 pm

general flynn resigned because he had become a distraction

as to "guilty," all I've heard in the media is reference to the "rarely used Logan Act." By "rarely used", they actually mean "never used": in the 200+ years since it was passed, there has been one indictment and zero prosecutions
 
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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 15th, 2017, 6:46 pm

general flynn resigned because he had become a distraction
Is that the reason that the new "alien law" is 3 days behind schedule?
 
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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 15th, 2017, 7:09 pm

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February 15th, 2017, 7:16 pm

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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 15th, 2017, 7:56 pm

general flynn resigned because he had become a distraction
No, he resigned because he lied to Pence, Trump knew he lied to Pence, and somebody had to take the fall -- and it wasn't going to be Trump. Also, Pence probably told Trump "it's him or me, baby"

Ah, the Days of Our Lives at Hotel 1600.
 
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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 15th, 2017, 11:46 pm

What's is needed is good White House Plumbers, like in the old days.

"What do you do at the White House?",
 "I am helping the president stop some leaks". 
 
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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 15th, 2017, 11:57 pm

At the End, Obama Administration Gave NSA Broad New Powers

One of the central questions behind the Mike Flynn flap that should have been asked but largely wasn't is: who was wiretapping the general? The answer, we know now, was the National Security Agency, formerly known as No Such Agency, the nation's foremost signals-intelligence (SIGINT) collection department.
so to answer the question,
>> is it standard, for an outgoing president to spy on his successor's transition team 
>> or is obama just creepy?

obama is just creepy, and he was only able to spy on his successor's transition team by giving the NSA broad new powers right at the end
 
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Re: Trump - the first 100 days

February 16th, 2017, 1:46 am

The NSA didn't need new powers to listen to the Russian ambassador. They routinely "monitor the online and phone calls of foreign citizens", according to the  NPR link below.  

I will bet the Russian embassy also records all their calls, the NSA knew this, and passed along not only the transcript of the call but the likelihood of that recording info along to the FBI -- hence, the warning (likely to Trump) that Flynn could be blackmailed later.

Was the "blackmail" threat just an excuse by the FBI to discredit Flynn in front of Trump and Pence? Did Flynn lie to the FBI in their interviews? Since even babies know "you don't lie to the FBI" (or face an obstruction charge), more likely he was just evasive enough to cause them to be pissed off at him.

In the end, it seems a soap opera of minimal real substance. Flynn brought it all on himself by the lie to Pence and the repetition of the lie by Pence on tv. He probably cleared the lie with The Donald, and The Donald told him -- "sure Mike, you knows the rules -- just don't get caught". :D 

I thought Flynn's book (The Field of Fight) was interesting and he seemed qualified for the job. He also seemed somewhat obsessive -- not necessarily a bad thing for that slot. So I am not personally glad to see him go. We'll see how he compares to whomever steps into his shoes...   

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2 ... activities