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Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 2:57 am

Becoming my favorite Democrat.

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Sen. John Fetterman, well known for donning hoodies and shorts in the halls of the Senate, turned heads in a suit and tie fit for the occasion while Politico reported he was the only Democratic senator to shake Netanyahu’s hand. (AP caption)
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Re: Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 6:27 am

What is so special in the hand of Mr Milejkowski? Apart from the blood and dirty money, of course.
 
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Re: Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 10:53 am

Hypothesis: AV is a Jewpremacist and Alan is a garden variety Western hegemonist.
 
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Re: Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 11:05 am

What kind of handshake was it?
 
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Re: Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 11:27 am

Hypothesis: Alan is a garden variety Western hegemonist.
Show me an American or Western European who is not.
 
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Re: Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 12:15 pm

Hypothesis: Alan is a garden variety Western hegemonist.
Show me an American or Western European who is not.
I don't consider myself one.

Granted, I was brought up on Western ideas, and I consider many of them "better" than contrary non-Western ideas.

But ranking high among my Western ideas is that one person should not enforce his perspective on anyone else ... which I think is the basis of a hegemonist attitude.
 
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Re: Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 12:35 pm

Hypothesis: Alan is a garden variety Western hegemonist.
Show me an American or Western European who is not.
I don't consider myself one.
Of course you are. 
Hint. Read what you wrote about Gazan and Ukrainian victims of the war. Is it exactly the same?
 
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Re: Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 2:09 pm

ICC seeking arrest warrants for Hamas leaders and Israel’s Netanyahu

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/05/1149966

“I have consistently emphasised that international humanitarian law demands that Israel take urgent action to immediately allow access to humanitarian aid in Gaza at scale. I specifically underlined that starvation as a method of war and the denial of humanitarian relief constitute Rome Statute offences.”

Let's invite Bibi to the Hague.
 
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Re: Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 3:08 pm

An amusing aspect is how much the "new" Fetterman drives the Progressive Left crazy. They thought he was one of theirs.
Here is the attack from Ana Kasparian and a guest on the Young Turks:
 

 
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Re: Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 3:13 pm

Hint. Read what you wrote about Gazan and Ukrainian victims of the war. Is it exactly the same?
I think it's extremely consistent.

If you think otherwise, stand and deliver.
 
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July 29th, 2024, 3:40 pm

An amusing aspect is how much the "new" Fetterman drives the Progressive Left crazy. They thought he was one of theirs.
Here is the attack from Ana Kasparian and a guest on the Young Turks:
lol

Where to start?

1. Is a conservative just a liberal who has had a major stroke that caused cognitive impairment -- ?
2. Does Alan thing that And Kasparian and her guest are bad people -- ? I don't get the delight of conservatives in liberals' dismay. I mean, if I have a legitimate disagreement with someone about how things work -- does an unfettered free market work better than a regulated free market, e.g. -- I take no delight in evidence coming forward to suggest that I am right and they are wrong; it's just an intellectual matter. For me to be delighted that someone doesn't see the outcome they'd like, I pretty much have to think that they are a bad person and the outcome they'd like is a bad outcome. But to take delight in someone's disappointment that, e.g., Uncle Festerman essentially lied in order to get elected, as he has essentially admitted ... that's pretty twisted. I guess I'd take the win, if it went the other way, but I'd view it as a shameful and ugly win. Delight? No way. Maybe the difference is that conservatives at some level know they are wrong, so they have to take delight in any win they get ... ;-)
 
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Re: Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 4:02 pm

Hint. Read what you wrote about Gazan and Ukrainian victims of the war. Is it exactly the same?
I think it's extremely consistent.
Of course, it's completely different and therefore cosistent. For a Western hegemonist.
 
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Re: Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 4:52 pm

An amusing aspect is how much the "new" Fetterman drives the Progressive Left crazy. They thought he was one of theirs.
Here is the attack from Ana Kasparian and a guest on the Young Turks:
lol

Where to start?

1. Is a conservative just a liberal who has had a major stroke that caused cognitive impairment -- ?
2. Does Alan thing that And Kasparian and her guest are bad people -- ? I don't get the delight of conservatives in liberals' dismay. 

From what I've seen, Ana Kasparian has her moments of clarity and I don't think she's a bad person. But, here, she gives no credence to the possibility that Fetterman has simply politically evolved or, in his words, that the labels left him, or that Oct 7 was a moment of clarity for him. I have no clue about her guest.

Having said that, her co-host (on The Young Turks) Cenk Uygur is indeed a horrible person. His main debating tactic is screaming and yelling. Whenever I've seen him confronted successfully in interviews, I do indeed take delight. 
 
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Re: Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 5:32 pm

Hint. Read what you wrote about Gazan and Ukrainian victims of the war. Is it exactly the same?
I think it's extremely consistent.
Of course, it's completely different and therefore cosistent. For a Western hegemonist.
Yawn.
 
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Re: Fetterman

July 29th, 2024, 6:06 pm

From what I've seen, Ana Kasparian has her moments of clarity and I don't think she's a bad person. But, here, she gives no credence to the possibility that Fetterman has simply politically evolved or, in his words, that the labels left him, or that Oct 7 was a moment of clarity for him. I have no clue about her guest.

Having said that, her co-host (on The Young Turks) Cenk Uygur is indeed a horrible person. His main debating tactic is screaming and yelling. Whenever I've seen him confronted successfully in interviews, I do indeed take delight. 
I think Fetterman's words were that his health issues "freed" him to speak his mind, not that his thinking had evolved. So apparently he always thought nothing Israel ever did that it rationalized in the name of its security could be wrong, which is decidedly not a progressive position because it recognizes superior status for one group of people as opposed to another (how often do we see people proclaiming the right of Palestinians to defend themselves?).

There are gradations of responses to the latest Israel-Palestine violence. They generally place you on a spectrum of attitude toward the level of impunity you accept for Israel, from none at all to absolute impunity. You can accept, within a "progressive" framework, a lot of leeway for Israel. Biden (in his words if not his actions) recognizes the human toll on Gazans as limiting Israel's actions. I might put the limit at a very different place than he would, but at least he recognizes a limit.

Does Fetterman?

I haven't seen it. In fact he basically proclaims no limit: https://www.fetterman.senate.gov/press- ... on-israel/

I don't have an opinion on what sort of person Cenk Uygur is; I can't stand to watch him long enough to find out what he believes or why he believes it.