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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

April 11th, 2018, 9:40 pm

Any advice on what I do when I meet Jabba the Hutt?
 
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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

April 11th, 2018, 10:05 pm

Any advice on what I do when I meet Jabba the Hutt?
Don't stand on the trap-door leading to the monster's lair.
 
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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

April 11th, 2018, 10:08 pm

He's a high-functioning Aspie. You must have seen Aspies before, especially if you are a mathematician or physicist. 

And what is he thinking? I suspect it's partly "I know better than all these idiots around me" and partly "I don't understand what's going on." The latter being because he probably doesn't understand many social signals. Which is why he's exactly the wrong person to be in charge of privacy...privacy might not be something he will intuitively grasp. 

He certainly doesn't understand the social signals he's getting when people look at that haircut.
Zuckerberg an Aspie? I'd say he's a talented programmer, clever businessman (though he possibly has good and trusted advisors) and a lucky bastard. I've met many "Aspies" in science - they were basically people who pretended to be smarter than they were by covering their shortcomings with awkward or rude behaviours. It was sad to look at, but sometimes useful to know... Actual clinical Asperger syndrome and autism involve serious developmental delays, and savantism is very rare. I've met one true savant in my life (i don't count another idiot whose savantism was about remembering long sequences of numbers) - interestingly, he was a normal and kind person, maybe a bit spooked out.
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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

April 11th, 2018, 10:10 pm

Any advice on what I do when I meet Jabba the Hutt?
Call Wookie Chewbacca and cry "aguhwwgggghhh!".
 
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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

April 12th, 2018, 2:29 am

He's a high-functioning Aspie. You must have seen Aspies before, especially if you are a mathematician or physicist. 

And what is he thinking? I suspect it's partly "I know better than all these idiots around me" and partly "I don't understand what's going on." The latter being because he probably doesn't understand many social signals. Which is why he's exactly the wrong person to be in charge of privacy...privacy might not be something he will intuitively grasp. 

He certainly doesn't understand the social signals he's getting when people look at that haircut.
Zuckerberg an Aspie? I'd say he's a talented programmer, clever businessman (though he possibly has good and trusted advisors) and a lucky bastard. I've met many "Aspies" in science - they were basically people who pretended to be smarter than they were by covering their shortcomings with awkward or rude behaviours. It was sad to look at, but sometimes useful to know... Actual clinical Asperger syndrome and autism involve serious developmental delays, and savantism is very rare. I've met one true savant in my life (i don't count another idiot whose savantism was about remembering long sequences of numbers) - interestingly, he was a normal and kind person, maybe a bit spooked out.
You've seen Rain Man (and Star Wars) too many times!
 
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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

April 12th, 2018, 3:16 am

Haven't seen Rain Man, but the number of times I've watched the Star Wars saga compensates for this. May the Force be with you!
 
 
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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

April 19th, 2018, 7:02 pm

 
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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

April 19th, 2018, 8:08 pm

I was not able to assemble the chair, because I was not able to assemble the flat-packed assemble robot that came with it. So still no IKEA chair for me, all in the trash can (sorted for recycling)
 
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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

May 18th, 2018, 10:26 am

spyce in boston
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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

May 24th, 2018, 6:48 pm

Here's the accident in another video where it's easy to step through the timing. It looks like there is about 2 seconds from the time the woman becomes visible to the moment of the crash. While an impact may have been unavoidable, it's very troubling that the self-driving system (not to mention the safety operator) didn't seem to react at all prior to the collision -- of course, we don't know that for sure. 

But, let's say there was indeed no reaction. Surely, the systems must be responsive enough to (potentially) react in 2 secs if an object is detected, even if the reaction still results in a collision. Some obvious possibilities: a) the poor lady was not seen by the lidar;  b) she was seen, but the system reaction time was too sluggish (software bloat?); c) she was seen, but misclassified as -- I don't know -- say, a piece of blowing debris in the road that the software decided was acceptable to hit; or?? I'm sure others can continue the list ...

The case c) poses some interesting issues because it is obvious from practical driving that often you see an object (like a blowing newspaper) and have to make a quick judgement that it is acceptable to hit it. In 10 years, when we all go shopping for our first AV, it puts the idea of taking the vehicle out for a test drive in a whole new light. Maybe everybody will wait for the proverbial dark and stormy night.
Unbelievable. I never expected the possibility d) that "According to Uber, emergency braking maneuvers are not enabled while the vehicle is under computer control, to reduce the potential for erratic vehicle behavior,” investigators said.
 
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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

May 24th, 2018, 7:04 pm

Here's the accident in another video where it's easy to step through the timing. It looks like there is about 2 seconds from the time the woman becomes visible to the moment of the crash. While an impact may have been unavoidable, it's very troubling that the self-driving system (not to mention the safety operator) didn't seem to react at all prior to the collision -- of course, we don't know that for sure. 

But, let's say there was indeed no reaction. Surely, the systems must be responsive enough to (potentially) react in 2 secs if an object is detected, even if the reaction still results in a collision. Some obvious possibilities: a) the poor lady was not seen by the lidar;  b) she was seen, but the system reaction time was too sluggish (software bloat?); c) she was seen, but misclassified as -- I don't know -- say, a piece of blowing debris in the road that the software decided was acceptable to hit; or?? I'm sure others can continue the list ...

The case c) poses some interesting issues because it is obvious from practical driving that often you see an object (like a blowing newspaper) and have to make a quick judgement that it is acceptable to hit it. In 10 years, when we all go shopping for our first AV, it puts the idea of taking the vehicle out for a test drive in a whole new light. Maybe everybody will wait for the proverbial dark and stormy night.
Unbelievable. I never expected the possibility d) that "According to Uber, emergency braking maneuvers are not enabled while the vehicle is under computer control, to reduce the potential for erratic vehicle behavior,” investigators said.
Sounds like a criminal act to me.
 
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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

May 24th, 2018, 7:07 pm

Here's the accident in another video where it's easy to step through the timing. It looks like there is about 2 seconds from the time the woman becomes visible to the moment of the crash. While an impact may have been unavoidable, it's very troubling that the self-driving system (not to mention the safety operator) didn't seem to react at all prior to the collision -- of course, we don't know that for sure. 

But, let's say there was indeed no reaction. Surely, the systems must be responsive enough to (potentially) react in 2 secs if an object is detected, even if the reaction still results in a collision. Some obvious possibilities: a) the poor lady was not seen by the lidar;  b) she was seen, but the system reaction time was too sluggish (software bloat?); c) she was seen, but misclassified as -- I don't know -- say, a piece of blowing debris in the road that the software decided was acceptable to hit; or?? I'm sure others can continue the list ...

The case c) poses some interesting issues because it is obvious from practical driving that often you see an object (like a blowing newspaper) and have to make a quick judgement that it is acceptable to hit it. In 10 years, when we all go shopping for our first AV, it puts the idea of taking the vehicle out for a test drive in a whole new light. Maybe everybody will wait for the proverbial dark and stormy night.
Unbelievable. I never expected the possibility d) that "According to Uber, emergency braking maneuvers are not enabled while the vehicle is under computer control, to reduce the potential for erratic vehicle behavior,” investigators said.
Sounds like a criminal act to me.
so who goes to jail, the car, the driver, or the programmer?
 
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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

May 24th, 2018, 7:12 pm

so who goes to jail, the car, the driver, or the programmer?
Probably the driver and who ever authorized turning off the emergency braking system.
 
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Re: Defend yourself against the coming robot rebellion

June 8th, 2018, 6:46 am

Personally, I wonder what happens when someone overwrites Asimov's three rules to make the robot 1) sell Viagra; 2) play zombie pranks; and 3) monitor every action for the NSA.
lol, I can tell u about Viagra)) I am profy :D  'cause my friend found the website ( https://viagrabestbuy.com/ ) and ordered. I think it's dangerous to his health, but he's an experimenter.
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