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Delta in FX option

Posted: May 4th, 2011, 1:09 pm
by shunvwu
Hi,I've some questions about volatility in FX option. When I download the volatility data from Bloomberg, it is represented in terms of delta, with ATM which meaning 0.5delta call. In the textbook the FX option delta=exp(-rf*T)N(d1), thus for ATM it should be 0.5= exp(-rf*T)N(d1). N(d1) has a range of [0,1]. When T is quite long, it is probably that exp(-rf*T)<0.5, then there is no way that exp(-rf*T)N(d1)=0.5. I?m quite confused about that. Could anybody point out the problem included in this reduction? Thanks a lot!

Delta in FX option

Posted: May 4th, 2011, 4:44 pm
by caperover
Shouldn't it be delta=exp(-q*T)N(d1)If exp(-rf*T)<0.5, they won't quote using 50delta. FX option vols are only quoted up to 2Y or 3Y depending on liquidity.

Delta in FX option

Posted: May 4th, 2011, 7:18 pm
by Leonidas
Read Reiswich and Wystup. And ignore caperovers remarks

Delta in FX option

Posted: May 5th, 2011, 10:48 am
by Venezia
Market convention is to define the ATM at the currency pair level. For emerging market currencies it usually means ATMF. For G10 pairs it means delta neutral ie the strike at which a straddle has zero delta. Delta is defined also on a currency pair basis. For XXXUSD pairs, it is the amount of XXX to hedge USD value. For all other XXXYYY pairs, it is the amount of XXX to hedge XXX value.

Delta in FX option

Posted: May 5th, 2011, 2:04 pm
by caperover
QuoteOriginally posted by: LeonidasRead Reiswich and Wystup. And ignore caperovers remarksWhy should my comments be ignored?No matter what you read, you will end up with the formula as mine.

Delta in FX option

Posted: May 5th, 2011, 2:06 pm
by Venezia
To clarify further, for longer dates ATM is ATMF for all currency pairs; and you also have the issue of spot vs forward delta. It's fairly convention-heavy.

Delta in FX option

Posted: May 5th, 2011, 9:07 pm
by Leonidas
There are three reasons why I said yourremarks should be questioned. You said it shouldbe q instead of rf which shows you are not working in FX. You said FX options are onlyquoted up to two or three years, which showsyou're not working in the market. And the <0.5thing...don't know what you're talking about. There are conventions in the spirit of Venezia'sremarks.

Delta in FX option

Posted: May 6th, 2011, 2:45 pm
by caperover
well, then you tell me what should be the delta for a option on a stock with dividend? Isn't foreign currency interest rate equivalent to dividend rate in BS formula?As mentioned in "Consistent Pricing of FX options" by Castagna and Mercurio, "The FX option market is very liquid, up to relatively long dated expiries (2 years,at least for the EUR/USD exchange rate)." 2Y is already considered to be long-dated. In which market do you see liquid 5Y FX options?If you don't know <0.5 thing, what are you doing here? Someone asked for help on A, you gave him an answer to B? You should really read others' questions and comments before you start.

Delta in FX option

Posted: May 6th, 2011, 2:51 pm
by Venezia
A typical short dated FX Options desk will trade the majors out to 5Y with liquidity dropping off from about 2Y. Beyond that your long dated FX/hybrids desk will take over. They may well trade vanilla options out to the 20Y tenor, thought the market is significantly less liquid out there.

Delta in FX option

Posted: May 18th, 2011, 12:56 pm
by shunvwu
It's my fault to consider ATM 0.5 directly without thinking about its meaning. The ATM delta actually means delta neutral straddle, not delta 50, which equals to 0.5*exp(-rf*T).Thanks for all of your reply!