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why are some guys left-wing?

October 8th, 2013, 11:03 am

I hear guys who are left-wing arguing such stupid positions, I wonder what is wrong with them. Economist Thomas Sowell has attributed it to vanity: Why would someone choose a hallucination, over reality? Because it confers a special state of grace on someone who imagines himself as morally superior. Eric Hoffer attributed it to boring lives, and the need to participate in something. In other words, the same reason many people attach their emotions to sports teams. Hoffer pointed out that someone who helps the needy, for example, can be more in need of someone to help to feel better, than the needy person is in need of help.But I have come up with three basic reasons:1) Envy, or the king-minimization strategy. The more people there are doing well, whether rich businessmen or whatever, the smaller the average left-wing guy feels. In a world of all peasants and only one king, there is less comparison between yourself and the king, and fewer people to be jealous of.2) A disposition to prefer conscious organization and group participation. A left-wing guy is often a people person, a socially oriented guy who likes to be in on or dictate a consensus, and participate in the events of the day. If his neighbors have a problem with break-ins, he has an urge to come together and talk about a collective solution rather than individual self defense. And rather than shoot the criminals doing the break-ins, he wants to talk to them and bring them into the consensus also. If there were 10 people in a cafeteria, each sitting alone at one of 10 tables enjoying himself, he would try to bring them together to sit at one table. Centrally planned economies, and rehabilitated criminals, are both unrealistic and myopic ideas. But they appeal to some people's basic makeup. Suppressing individual autonomy, and usurping spheres of individual freedom, gives them pleasure. Because they are not used to being left out of things that are not their business.3) Simple parroting. People who are good at college, who are good at learning, can't help but reproduce whatever concepts their left-wing college professors design for them. If they are told 5x5=26, the best students will get it right on a test.
 
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October 8th, 2013, 12:02 pm

"Because it confers a special state of grace on someone who imagines himself as morally superior."That's where conservatism comes from, silly!
 
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why are some guys left-wing?

October 8th, 2013, 1:21 pm

Because altruism ist the most intelligent form of selfishness.More theoretically speaking: avoid the disadvantages of vertical community ideologies - thats most destructive one is fascism. (Whenever a few percent took home the largest share of income (1928, 1 percent took home 19.6% - 2012, 19.35%) - a great recession followed, and the rich have taken the huge fall. This seems to be quite stupid?)Farmer, you seem to analyze the foodweb of all animals, by watching the eating behavior of the dog of your neighbor?But I know in this discussions this is the guide
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October 8th, 2013, 1:25 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: exneratunriskBecause altruism ist the most intelligent form of selfishness.More theoretically speaking: avoid the disadvantages of vertical community ideologies - thats most destructive one is fascism. (Whenever a few percent took home the largest share of income (1928, 1 percent took home 19.6% - 2012, 19.35%) - a great recession followed, and the rich have taken the huge fall. This seems to be quite stupid?)Farmer, you seem to analyze the foodweb of all animals, by watching the eating behavior of the dog of your neighbor?But I know in this discussions this is the guideI'm not sure what your point is
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October 8th, 2013, 1:25 pm

I think these are mostly correct observations. I would argue that king minimization is a bad term. It's baron minimization and king blind adoration. Be it king Obama, or king Stalin, or king Ivan Grozny. Kings were historically often perceived as hostile to barons and as benefactors of the peasants. One of the key values for liberal mind is centralization of power and it comes with increasing the role of the king. Stalin killed his communist buddies massively for 20 years, just like Grrozny killed boyars and Stalin was applauded by every liberal in the west. US democracy comes from British, which started out when Magna Carta gave freedoms and protection to barons from the king. These barons role is played today in the US by small businessmen, independent from the state. They are who gets fleeced under Obama -- their wealth is being quickly redistributed to enrich top 1% and to pay government handout recepients.
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October 8th, 2013, 1:42 pm

I very much agree with the envy explanation.I also find lefties to be severely lacking in self knowledge. So they don't know how envious they are. And if they don't understand their own motives they can't really understand the motives of others, and hence fail to understand how the world works.One of my favourite examples was Tony Blair 'negotiating' over doctors hours. In return for not having to work at weekends doctors were paid...more! Not sure he really understood how haggling works.* You can date the collapse of the NHS to that stupidity.P*One of the great things about the US is they know how to haggle and never take offence. You can't haggle with a Brit, they just go quiet and you never hear from them again.
 
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October 8th, 2013, 2:29 pm

It's not envy, it's self-defence.
 
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why are some guys left-wing?

October 8th, 2013, 2:32 pm

There's no "how the world works" - there are rules we impose.
 
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why are some guys left-wing?

October 8th, 2013, 2:43 pm

In the 60's they became left-wing because of their parents. You have no idea what left-wing is.
 
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October 8th, 2013, 2:47 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: UltravioletThere's no "how the world works" - there are rules we impose.This.
 
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October 8th, 2013, 2:53 pm

It seems like it is envy from what I've seen and that's a far more socially destructive "deadly sin" than greed is.The data on charitable giving (in the US) show that people on the right are twice as altruistic as people on the left. For the most part, the left want government to confiscate and redistribute other people's wealth, not their own.
 
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October 8th, 2013, 3:22 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaIt seems like it is envy from what I've seen and that's a far more socially destructive "deadly sin" than greed is.The data on charitable giving (in the US) show that people on the right are twice as altruistic as people on the left. For the most part, the left want government to confiscate and redistribute other people's wealth, not their own.Yeah, because the whole fight over the tax privileges is to have more money for charity donations...
 
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October 8th, 2013, 3:27 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: UltravioletQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaIt seems like it is envy from what I've seen and that's a far more socially destructive "deadly sin" than greed is.The data on charitable giving (in the US) show that people on the right are twice as altruistic as people on the left. For the most part, the left want government to confiscate and redistribute other people's wealth, not their own.Yeah, because the whole fight over the tax privileges is to have more money for charity donations...Or if one sees government as wasting society's resources and creating self-serving permanent underclass of unproductive people who conveniently vote the left back in power.
 
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October 8th, 2013, 3:32 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaOr if one sees government as wasting society's resources and creating self-serving permanent underclass of unproductive people who conveniently vote the left back in power.Once you convince yourself that the poor are an "underclass" (or "Untermenschen", if you prefer), it's easy to be right-wing. Edit: and it's this "underclass" which is the most productive segment of the society. They make things. Build homes. Provide services. The 1% sits in the offices shuffling money from one pocket to another, skimming a fee for themselves. They are truly "unproductive".
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why are some guys left-wing?

October 8th, 2013, 3:34 pm

Some guys are left-wing because it ensures that they retain political power. 47% of the USA population is dependent on foodstamps, housing subsidies, Medicaid, unemployment benefits, and disability benefits (60% are fake, but each one costs the taxpayer on average $300,000 in benefits). This guarantees that at least 47% of the USA population will always vote for the Democratic Party. If you add the gays and the blacks and the hispanics voters, this virtually guarantees that the Democrats will always retain power.
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