QuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: Marsden............. he is made Eternal Emperor with total authority over everything.............I thought Paul was applying for that job.One doesn't apply for a job like that - one gets chosenWhy not? I can see the job posting now:Leading planet in the Orion arm of the Milky Way seeks Eternal Emperor to lead well-respected team of functionaries.Requirements:Strong dictatorial backgroundExperience with populations of at least 6 billionLoud communication skillsProven abilities with revolts or uprisingsKnowledge of Peasant++ and Peasant#Must be willing to relocateCompetitive salary with generous package of royal prerogatives.

Experience with Risk, Civilization, or Master of Orion preferred.

QuoteOriginally posted by: fars1d3sThe birth certificate shows he is native-born, in Hawaii. (the term you want is "natural born")that's the issue isn't it:we haven't seen his birth certificate and obama's lawyers have fought in court to prevent people from seeing it.If he produces his birth certificate (the real one this time, not the earlier one which turned out to have been fabricated by a blogger) and it turns out that he was born in Hawaii, all this goes away.If it turns out that he was born in Kenya, and his birth was later registered in Hawaii because his mother lived there, then he is likely not a natural born citizen and therefore ineligible to be presidentQuoteIn fact, CNN sent some reporters to the hospital where Barack Obama was born to verify his birth recordsgot a link which we can read to see what, if anything, they verified, because I don't believe you.At least two of his relatives in Kenya claim to have been present at his birth atCOAST PROVINCIAL GENERAL HOSPITAL in MOMBASSA, KENYA at 7.24 PM on August 4th 1961.Like I said, if he simply produces his birth certificate, and he was born in the US, part of this goes away.The other challenge to his eligibility is the issue of whether he became an Indonesian citizen when he lived there (he is identified as both an indonesian citizen and a muslim in official indonesian documents such as school records).Since Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship, this would mean that he renounced US citizenship (if he was actually a US citizen)QuoteA case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a "conference" at the U.S. Supreme Court.Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. This case is set for a conference Dec. 5, just 10 days before the Electoral College is scheduled to meet to make formal the election of Obama as the nation's next president.The Supreme Court's website listed the date for the case brought by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells, the secretary of state in New Jersey, over not only Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot but those of two others, Sen. John McCain and Roger Calero.The case, unsuccessful at the state level, had been submitted to Justice David Souter, who rejected it. The case then was resubmitted to Justice Clarence Thomas. The next line on the court's docket says: "DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 5, 2008."If four of the nine justices vote to hear the case in full, oral argument may be scheduled.The action questions whether any of the three candidates is qualified under the U.S. Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born citizen."So it's on the SCOTUS docket......QuoteSection 1 of Article II of the Constitution contains the clause:“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." QuoteThere was some debate in 2000 as to whether John McCain, having been born in the Panama Canal Zone, is eligible.and mccain is also a target of the lawsuit before SCOTUS, as is Róger Calero who was born in Nicaragua and ran for the Socialist Workers Party.You might notice that I mentioned the possibility of mccain also being ineligible in my initial post, although of course McCain has been upfront about where he was born and the GOP have sought counsel on the matterQuoteIn April 2008 the US Senate approved a resolution affirming McCain's status as a natural born citizen.[14] And in September of that year a Federal District judge said obiter that it was "highly probable" that McCain was a natural-born citizen of the United States owing to the citizenship legislation existing at the time.QuoteWhat if Obama is Muslim, which he is not ?he was raised muslim in indonesia

Obama's birth certificateAnother source on Obama's birth certificateFactCheck.org confirms authenticity

of course poops would still consider it to be a fake. nevermind that his mother is american which makes him an American.

QuoteQuotehe was raised muslim in indonesiaSir, please go away. How on earth people with advanced degrees can be so stupid is beyond me.

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaI'll take Obama over Manchurian-Panamanian McCain & Czarah Palinova anyday.having been POW is preferable to having been raised in an indonesian madrassaActually I disagree. Many POW's still suffer from terrible PTSD. McCain, for one, still hasn't seemed to get over the Vietnam war. Given the excellent quality education Obama received in his "madrassa" (which means school), I don't appreciate your stating opinion as fact.

QuoteOriginally posted by: DanielLIebQuoteSir, please go away. I wish it were that simple ...

QuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: DanielLIebQuoteSir, please go away. I wish it were that simple ...If this event happens, then I will be most senior member and we don't want that his way

Just to confirm a fact: A family friend, both husband & wife are Americans, worked in Vietnam during the 1960s and gave birth to a son. By law, he was granted American citizenship at birth because mother is American. But he was allowed to choose his citizenship, US or Vietnam, on his 18th birthday.He went to court in Florida to legally declare his citizenship, US, shortly after turning 18.

QuoteOriginally posted by: fars1d3sJust to confirm a fact: A family friend, both husband & wife are Americans, worked in Vietnam during the 1960s and gave birth to a son. By law, he was granted American citizenship at birth because mother is American. But he was allowed to choose his citizenship, US or Vietnam, on his 18th birthday.He went to court in Florida to legally declare his citizenship, US, shortly after turning 18.obama (and any one else) needs to be "natural born":since only one of his parents was a US citizen, he needs to have been born in the US for that to be the case,and further, if he renounced his US citizenship (which he would have done if he became a citizen of Indonesia which does not allow dual citizenship) and then reacquired it, he would not be a natural born citizen even if he was when born

QuoteOriginally posted by: DanielLIebQuoteQuotehe was raised muslim in indonesiaSir, please go away. How on earth people with advanced degrees can be so stupid is beyond me.obama was raised muslin in indonesia

SCOTUS docketobama produces a birth certificate, this goes away....

QuoteOriginally posted by: DanielLIeb. Given the excellent quality education Obama received in his "madrassa" (which means school)then we're agreed that he went to a madrassa !

QuoteOriginally posted by: fars1d3sObama's birth certificateAnother source on Obama's birth certificateFactCheck.org confirms authenticitythis was a bizarre incident:a 3rd party blogger posted the supposed birth certificate which the obama campaign linked: how would a 3rd party blogger get hold of it ?And as many people say it's fake as say it's real.