QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelcontinue with this asinine debateyou might notice that the debate I started was the very reasonable question of what happens in the event that obama is constitutionally ineligible. No one seems to know, although Dr PaperCut and MigAlley and marsden understand the issueOthers, such as yourself Mr Angel, chose to hijack this thread.The debate started with a proposition of "what if ?" but has now degenerated to you and migalley's attempt at continuing with your propaganda war. To a large extent, its you who has hijacked your own thread.no, I made the mistake of replying to your thread-jackingthis thread like every other one you have started about Barack Obama is essentially the same propaganda. first you could not countenance the possibility that he would be elected and when he was elected you now cannot countenance that he be inaugurated and when he is inaugurated you will still be whingeing. 'fess up... you do not like the outcome and would like nothing better than to say Pops McCain and moose hunter palin in the white house.

QuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelcontinue with this asinine debateyou might notice that the debate I started was the very reasonable question of what happens in the event that obama is constitutionally ineligible. No one seems to know, although Dr PaperCut and MigAlley and marsden understand the issueOthers, such as yourself Mr Angel, chose to hijack this thread.The debate started with a proposition of "what if ?" but has now degenerated to you and migalley's attempt at continuing with your propaganda war. To a large extent, its you who has hijacked your own thread.no, I made the mistake of replying to your thread-jackingthis thread like every other one you have started about Barack Obama is essentially the same propaganda. first you could not countenance the possibility that he would be elected and when he was elected you now cannot countenance that he be inaugurated and when he is inaugurated you will still be whingeing.Yep. Complaints about thread-jacking from someone who's hijacked the whole forum show a considerable lack of basic decency, not to mention any sense of irony.

QuoteOriginally posted by: daveangel'fess up... you do not like the outcome and would like nothing better than to say Pops McCain and moose hunter palin in the white house.there seems no way that palin will be vp:the issue is whether biden becomes pres, or it's McLame (or Nader or Barr or Keyes) as Pres and Biden as veepas for accusation of being sore losers, these lawsuits were filed during the primaries largely by democratsBerg for example used to be the (Democrat) assistant State Attorney General in PA.

heard part of Bill Cunningham's show yesterday (he's a conservative talkshow host, who, at least in my neck of the woods, has taken over the old drudge timeslot on sunday. You may recall he introduced McCain at a rally during the campaign and was taken to task by mccain for referring to barack hussein obama as barack hussein obama)Cunningham's view is that SCOTUS will take a pass on this, because if they act he thinks Pelosi would end up as Pres, but he didn't say how: it's not clear to me if he meant that the electoral college would simply choose another Dem. (as Dr Papercut suggested) or whether it's because as Speaker, she's next in line to the throne so that if no president is elected she takes over (given that Biden's election was legit, he may take issue with that)

DaveAngel:as you probably know, constitutional law is a hobby of mine, and I raised some serious issues at the onset of this thread.SCOTUS may decide that it doesn't want to touch this, or it may transpire that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii (which makes me wonder why he's let this go on so long) or SCOTUS may rule that Obama is natural born even if he was born in kenya . Or we may have a crisis."Natural born" is only vaguely defined, and a SCOTUS clarification on precisely who is and who isn't would be useful.As you know, in the General, voters don't elect the president, rather they select the Electors (in the Electoral College) who elect the president, and that Electoral College has not yet met, so for Obama to stand in front of a podium labelled "President Elect of the US" as he has been doing is prematureSome of these states are at the state level to prevent the Secretary of State from certifying the Electors unless and until they verify that Obama (and McCain) are eligible. In my opening post, I asked what happens if he is ineligibleIn particular, I'm curious as to who would sit in the Electoral College: Obama's electors (who would likely vote for a fellow Dem.) or McCain's electors (or those of the 3rd place candidate if McCain is himself ineligible)

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperas you probably know, constitutional law is a hobby of mineI think that should read "playing around with constitutional law as just another vehicle for propaganda is a hobby of mine".

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauper... it may transpire that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii (which makes me wonder why he's let this go on so long) ...Maybe the Supreme Court should rule on what qualifies as "going on." It seems to me that the tinfoil hat contingent (tpaper: chairman) getting bent out of shape over something does not qualify as it "going on so long:" how long has the "flat earth/round earth" debate been "going on?"

for those interested in the matter, it's been suggested that you mail the following to each of the 9 justices ASAP (change "associate" to "chief" for roberts)QuoteDear Associate Justice ______:If the Constitution doesn't mean precisely what it says, then America is no longer a nation under the rule of law.A nation no longer under the rule of law is, by definition, under the rule of men.Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution clearly stipulates "No person except a natural born Citizen" shall be eligible to serve as president of the United States. That statement has clear meaning, and the Supreme Court of the United States is one of the controlling legal authorities in ensuring that the Constitution is enforced – even if doing so may prove awkward.With the Electoral College set to make its determination Dec. 15 that Barack Hussein Obama Jr. be the next president of the United States, the Supreme Court is holding a conference Friday to review a case challenging his eligibility for the office based on Article 2, Section 1.I urge you to take this matter most seriously – and judge it only on the clear, unambiguous words of the Constitution: A president must, at the very least, be a "natural born citizen" of the United States.If you agree that this clear constitutional requirement still matters, the Supreme Court must use its authority to establish, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that Barack Hussein Obama Jr. qualifies for the office under that standard.There is grave, widespread and rapidly growing concern throughout the American public that this constitutional requirement is being overlooked and enforcement neglected by state and federal election authorities. It's up to the Supreme Court to dispel all doubt that America's next president is truly a natural born citizen of the United States.I urge you to honor the Constitution in this matter and uphold the public trust.Sincerely,Your nameYour address[/q[

a second case (berg) on the SCOTUS docketPhilip Berg is a Hillary supporter and former assistant (state) attorney general in PA

A last electoral hurdle for Obama

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppaupera second case (berg) on the SCOTUS docketPhilip Berg is a Hillary supporter and former assistant (state) attorney general in PAhis first suit was thrown out as "frivolous and not worthy of discussion" and this will be as well.Poops - please go and peddle your conservative claptrap elsewhere

QuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: ppaupera second case (berg) on the SCOTUS docketPhilip Berg is a Hillary supporter and former assistant (state) attorney general in PAhis first suit was thrown out as "frivolous and not worthy of discussion" and this will be as wellno, it was thrown out for "lack of standing" as some feel that we don't have a right to verify the eligibility of folks for officeedit ruling attachedparticularly galling (and bizarre as already stated) is that obama's lawyers (see footnote 6, page 7 of the pdf) were the ones responsible for having this suit dismissed for lack of standing, when it would have been quicker and easier to send an aide to the courthouse with the birth certificate.This case was filed before the Dem's conference, at which point they could simply have selected a different nominee.At this point, the likely result is a non-democrat as president if SCOTUS acts, and that would be a self-inflicted wound by the Dems.I realize that that SCOTUS has more pressing matters, like making sure pedophiles can become scout masters, but it's the constitution we're talking about.

QuoteOriginally posted by: MarsdenQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauper... it may transpire that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii (which makes me wonder why he's let this go on so long) ...Maybe the Supreme Court should rule on what qualifies as "going on." it means cases spending many months working their way up to SCOTUS

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: ppaupera second case (berg) on the SCOTUS docketPhilip Berg is a Hillary supporter and former assistant (state) attorney general in PAhis first suit was thrown out as "frivolous and not worthy of discussion" and this will be as wellno, it was thrown out for "lack of standing" as some feel that we don't have a right to verify the eligibility of folks for officeedit ruling attachedparticularly galling (and bizarre as already stated) is that obama's lawyers (see footnote 6, page 7 of the pdf) were the ones responsible for having this suit dismissed for lack of standing, when it would have been quicker and easier to send an aide to the courthouse with the birth certificate.This case was filed before the Dem's conference, at which point they could simply have selected a different nominee.At this point, the likely result is a non-democrat as president if SCOTUS acts, and that would be a self-inflicted wound by the Dems.I realize that that SCOTUS has more pressing matters, like making sure pedophiles can become scout masters, but it's the constitution we're talking about.I am glad to see that you think the constitution should be defended by the same person who issue this statementQuote"It is time for the nations of the world to come forth and take the leadership because of the failure of the United States Government and the States where crimes were committed on 09/11/01, where no thorough investigation and indictments occurred, to investigate, arrest and prosecute the people responsible for the murders on 9/11/01, specifically including George W. Bush and Richard Cheney."nice

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperI realize that that SCOTUS has more pressing matters, like making sure pedophiles can become scout masters, but it's the constitution we're talking about.No. The "pressing matters" for the Supreme Court consist of carrying out the political agenda of those who appointed them, "interpreting" the constitution in whatever way enables that.