Its really some thing wired, i don't wana do any criticzim on any by faith, color, nationality ... but infact, what i heard in middle east (gulf, UAE states), The hiring in financial instititions and other corporate companies are based on Nationality / Skin, even if the package advertise are more, the employee will neg. with other nationals of small / underdeveloped countires nationals to bring it down by 30-50% percent... However, its really different with UK, US , Cannadian Passport holder, the same person can Neg. more money... with same skills sets...Its really a discrimation though, some buddy should rasie it... Can others can metion, the same in others countires where this practise is being done... i want to bring it to more limelight...Thanks

Welcome to the Mid-East... People there have not gotten over the colonial hangover. I personally would never want to work in societies which are not free and fair, regardless of how good the loot is.

certain nationalities, moreso than others, are subject to more danger, like kidnapping, in middle east. if there is no premium, who would want to go and bring their families and be a target? it's the realities of the dangerous world.

QuoteOriginally posted by: RiskCapitalIts really a discrimation though, some buddy should rasie it...I think you should lead by example, and go marry the ugliest girl you can find.(My mistake if you have already done so...)

The whole expat thing has changed a lot, driven by several factors.When I worked as an expat, I expected (and got) more than either the locals or what I would have got in England. Living in Sydney was not exactly hardship, but there's extra effort and dislocation.You'd have to take my kids hostage before I'd even consider working in Saudi Arabia. But that's me, some people genuinely like it.I happened to know stuff that no one in Oz knew, and the money relfected that. Was nothing to do with my ethnic origin. There is still a profound skills gradient between developed nations in Western Europe and N.Ameriaca and other places where a randomly chosen doer of things is genuinely worth more than an average local.But my information is that multi nationals have gone off the whole idea of Value (white bloke from white country ) > Value (everyone else)So much so that I talk to people who are getting really crap deals to do a stint in some foreign location. Obviously being a pimp, my observations are skewed, but the majority seem actually to lose money on the deal once you've taken into account tax, acommodation and lies about "of course we'll remember you come bonus time". That last one is going on my list of biggest lies told to quants.Banks are increasingly taking the view that people are a globally traded commodity, and are often taking a hard line saying sometimes quite explictly, "if you don't take it, we'll give the work to a local", and offering "local" money.In the case of quants, the fact is that although quant people are every nationality, quant work is what happens in London & NY. A person who has worked in Frankfurt has to try harder to seem as good as an identically smart Londoner, let alone someone based out of Singapore or Bangalore.

QuoteOriginally posted by: DCFCThe whole expat thing has changed a lot, driven by several factors.When I worked as an expat, I expected (and got) more than either the locals or what I would have got in England.that certainly varies by locale.It's often said that H1B holders in the USA working as programmers get paid substantially less than US citizens for example.QuoteYou'd have to take my kids hostage before I'd even consider working in Saudi Arabia.If not before, it would likely happen once you got there

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: DCFCThe whole expat thing has changed a lot, driven by several factors.When I worked as an expat, I expected (and got) more than either the locals or what I would have got in England.that certainly varies by locale.It's often said that H1B holders in the USA working as programmers get paid substantially less than US citizens for example.QuoteYou'd have to take my kids hostage before I'd even consider working in Saudi Arabia.If not before, it would likely happen once you got thereWhat a bizarre thing to say. Saudi is one hell of a lot safer than many western countries, such as the US.

QuoteOriginally posted by: NorthernJohnWhat a bizarre thing to say. Saudi is one hell of a lot safer than many western countries, such as the US.Wait till they catch you reading your copy of the Bible in a public place.

QuoteOriginally posted by: BayAreaFanQuoteOriginally posted by: NorthernJohnWhat a bizarre thing to say. Saudi is one hell of a lot safer than many western countries, such as the US.Wait till they catch you reading your copy of the Bible in a public place.travel warning from UK govttravel warning from US govt

I think it's fair to say BayAreaFan, that I am the person on this forum least likely to be read the Bible.Christians in Britain have gotten people arrested for wearing blasphemous Tshirts, so it's hardly a uniquely Moslem vice.Americans not only tolerate the existence of Fox "news", but appear to watch it in hordes, makes state TV in many nations like positively anarchist.

One thing I know is that when it's time for prayer, people in Saudi leave their shops open and unattended (including diamond stores, jewelery etc.) and there is no possibility of theft. May be we should try this in NYC

QuoteOriginally posted by: HyperGeometricOne thing I know is that when it's time for prayer, people in Saudi leave their shops open and unattended (including diamond stores, jewelery etc.) and there is no possibility of theft. May be we should try this in NYCThis is because they will cut an arm if you steal a diamond even if you are a hungry expat brown labourer whose employer has not paid you for months and abuses you.

Let us be a little more precise.You get a limb cut off in Saudi if you are convicted of stealing.Their police make routing use of torture to get confessions.

QuoteOriginally posted by: DCFCTheir police make routing use of torture to get confessions.At least they are honest about it.

QuoteOriginally posted by: spiceQuoteOriginally posted by: DCFCTheir police make routing use of torture to get confessions.At least they are honest about it.Yes, They are very honest about it. A good Saudi enjoys a public beheading and takes pleasurein the national pastime of killing suspects by stoning. And oh yes, in the passing, a woman would need 5 witnesses to file rape charges.One would have to be seriously stupid to even consider going there...at any salary