Current I am in my last year of college which I have majoring in software engineering. However I have come to the conclusion I don't really enjoy doing programming because I don't consider myself all that good at it and there are some many concepts I don't know.To be honest I can't imagine anyone who would pay me to do this. On other hand, because I am not a person who like to quit and I can be quite stubborn at times I have continue to stick with it. I have done, classes from c++, C#, DataStrut I, ANN, software simulation and a lot of others personal project mainly in c++ and C#.. I love finance/econ, I think it would be interesting to have a career later down the road in investing money (VC, PE, and Hedge Fund management) and seeing and understanding how it ?works ?for you or a firm. Dealing with and understanding risk and playing to my interest formulating ?strategies?, for different market situations. Using strategy and research to beat my competition (Markets, other funds, even the guy next to me). Something that would allow me to use a personal passion of (Researching) and help me understanding how micro and macro econ effect markets (global, domestic). These things I have listed above are what I truly feel are interesting to me and I would enjoy doing. Don't get me wrong, programming is fun when I am in a "Flow" mode, or when I have all the time in the world to figure things out on my own but soon as I start to get stuck, I start to get frustrated and angry but I can't seem to walk away and I sit there for +hours HATING my life and what I have chosen to do. After going through that for 3+ year, some good, some bad times, I just can't seem to see myself, as of right now one getting past any serious interview, getting a job or meeting deadline. A couple of people told me that it sounds like i am interested in investment strategy, which sound about right to me. However they said I need to decide on a quantitative approach which would involve math and programming or a more qualitative approach that could involve stock research and economics (George Soros comes to mind). I like there second suggestion cause that is what seem interesting to me and I could see myself enjoying what it is I do.Anyway to make a long story short. I plan on relearning everything I was taught in my college program because to me, to quit would have been a waste of 3 years and a education. If I fully understand a concept I will just skip it and go on to the next. In the mean-time I was planning to go back to school and get a degree in finance and minor in math, or a degree in econ with a minor in math or maybe a double major with math and one of the other two and just keep teaching myself programming concepts on the side until i feel comfortable and maybe someday integrate my hobby of programming into my new career. Sorry for such a long post but I would really like some advice to think about. Ask me w/e you need to if you think it would help formulate a thought. if you feel like you must be an "Ass" that is fine as long as you give me serious advice afterwards****** PS, I DON"T WANT TO GO FOR A MASTERS YET*******

I'm curious why you don't want to go for a Masters. A Masters degree in something is going to look a lot better than a second bachelors.Also, one thing that you should do is to focus on one thing and get something finished. The problem that you have is not knowledge or interest, but I do see some personality traits that won't work well in the office. Get your bachelors degree done. Then get your masters degree done. It doesn't matter what you do your bachelors or masters degree in, as long as you can get them done.QuoteAfter going through that for 3+ year, some good, some bad times, I just can't seem to see myself, as of right now one getting past any serious interview, getting a job or meeting deadline.This is going to hurt you more than anything else.

I don't want to go for a masters right now because I would have to take a serious amount of time out to study. There is no point IMO to take a GRE or GMAT when your not feeling confident. I think it would be easier to get a second undergrad degree, so I can have a better chance at a internship or a entry lvl non-technical job somewhere. I don't want to primarily do code and design. Let me point something out, I know the difference between having no confidence vs just not being ready. Why go somewhere and make an ass of yourself when you know that all you need is some more time, hence the ready I say I would continue to improve my skills. I do plan on getting a masters just not. Quotebut I do see some personality traits that won't work well in the office.You say you see some personality trait that would not work, care to enlighten?

QuoteOriginally posted by: MementoYou say you see some personality trait that would not work, care to enlighten?Your attitude? You come of as a bit lazy and extremely indecisive as to what you want to do with your life. Your third paragraph and your second post directly relates to the sort of people I have myself fired or have seen fired around me. You seem like you just don't want to rise to the occasion and challenge yourself thoroughly. An obstacle is not something that should drive you bonkers, it's a challenge that you have to face. Obviously you started off in software engineering for some reason. What's to say you won't hate doing finance two years down the line? Given that you hate programming I doubt you will get advice that you like here as quantitative finance is quite reliant on programming.I'll leave advice on possible solutions to other more experienced people but I think a second bachelors is not going to give you much benefit.

You know what I really can't argue with you on the indecisive part. Thats probably how I came off, but if you really know me personally you wouldn't say that or that I am lazy. Unlike most people on here who probably had mommy and daddy pay there way through school at one point or another, I actually worked full-time to pay my way through a private college. I am not saying what i did is uncommon, i am just point out the fact i am NOT lazy even though I might have came off as being so. I just don't feel productive at programming, I mean I have done some really cool stuff such as create my own neural net for stock prediction or creating a program that tries to find correlations in sector using "swarming" concepts. Isn't the point of a career to be productive and enjoy it? or maybe I'm just not giving myself time? I've finished both of those projects, but it was extreme stressful and if I didn't have a strong personal interest than I don't think I would have finished. I just could see myself getting paid for this or making a career out of it is what I am saying. If I was so lazy, why am I a year away from finishing? I never say I was going to quit, I believe if you had really read below instead of trying to "tear me a new one", you would have seen that i said ( I plan on relearning everything I was taught in my college program because to me, to quit would have been a waste of 3 years and a education) what i was trying to saying is I was going to go back to school for another undergrad when I was done this one (I will also pay for that too). QuoteObviously you started off in software engineering for some reasonYeah your right, I obviously did start off in software engineering for some reason, but just like people on this forum who were physicist or engineers, things change. You start to see what it is you really want as time goes by.But hey I guess the true definition of being Lazy is someone who really tries and doesn't quit, who would have know that. None the less thanks for you input and I'll try to work on that indecisive thing.

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QuoteOriginally posted by: HansiQuoteOriginally posted by: MementoYou say you see some personality trait that would not work, care to enlighten?[...] Your third paragraph and your second post directly relates to the sort of people I have myself fired or have seen fired around me. Oh yeah, firing people is so much fun, Hansi! ... untill little Jimmy realises that he can't get a bicycle for christmas because his daddy was made redundant by a 24yr old oxbridge graduate, moving up the ladder, trying to squeeze out every penny of his co-workers for the big bosses.

then little jimmy should learn well, and when he grows up he will be stronger.

QuoteOriginally posted by: MementoI don't want to go for a masters right now because I would have to take a serious amount of time out to study. There is no point IMO to take a GRE or GMAT when your not feeling confident.There is. A lot of the point of degrees isn't to show that you've learned material, but rather to demonstrate that you have the personality traits to be a nice little cog in the grand corporate machine. Part of being a cog is to be able to pass tests and meet deadlines.QuoteI think it would be easier to get a second undergrad degree, so I can have a better chance at a internship or a entry lvl non-technical job somewhere.You are wrong. Second undergrad degrees look bad. The first proves that you can be a basic level cog. The second is useless. OncQuoteWhy go somewhere and make an ass of yourself when you know that all you need is some more time, hence the ready I say I would continue to improve my skills. I do plan on getting a masters just not. Widgets need to get built. Products need to get shipped. What you need to be able to demonstrate is that you can get something productive done when there is no time and you are not ready. In the business world, you will often be give contradictory and confusing orders that just don't make sense and are impossible to fulfill. At that point, you just do the best with what you have.

QuoteOriginally posted by: MementoThats probably how I came off, but if you really know me personally you wouldn't say that or that I am lazy.You may work very hard on projects that you are interested in, but you don't strike me as the type of person that will work on projects that you aren't interested in. Boss comes in and tells you to do something boring and totally uninteresting, that seems totally meaningless because it *is* totally meaningless. I just don't get the sense that you have a high tolerance for that sort of thing.And if you aren't doing the tasks that are assigned, it doesn't matter whether you are sleeping or if you are discovering the theory of everything.QuoteIsn't the point of a career to be productive and enjoy it?No. Marx believed that the purpose of a career is to be exploited by the power elite.If it was always fun, we wouldn't have to pay people to do it.QuoteI never say I was going to quit, I believe if you had really read below instead of trying to "tear me a new one", you would have seen that i said ( I plan on relearning everything I was taught in my college program because to me, to quit would have been a waste of 3 years and a education) what i was trying to saying is I was going to go back to school for another undergrad when I was done this one (I will also pay for that too). I think that's a terrible idea. Also, if you don't want people's true opinions don't ask for them. If you have the money to support yourself then you can be a student for the rest of your life, and I know people that have done that, and it works for them. However, if you want an office job then there are a lot of things that you have to work on before you can get hired for anything.

QuoteOriginally posted by: yaourtQuoteOriginally posted by: HansiQuoteOriginally posted by: MementoYou say you see some personality trait that would not work, care to enlighten?[...] Your third paragraph and your second post directly relates to the sort of people I have myself fired or have seen fired around me. Oh yeah, firing people is so much fun, Hansi! ... untill little Jimmy realises that he can't get a bicycle for christmas because his daddy was made redundant by a 24yr old oxbridge graduate, moving up the ladder, trying to squeeze out every penny of his co-workers for the big bosses. I've only ever fired a single individual and I took no joy firing said person. He had ample warning and exceeded the companies three warning policy by a few notices. No little Jimmy's were hurt because of said action so you don't need to worry.