Why didn't they find it when they found Top?

why did they rush with publication?let's wait until other groups on other accelerators reproduce the results.

QuoteOriginally posted by: quantmehwhy did they rush with publication?let's wait until other groups on other accelerators reproduce the results.Why shouldn't they publish? It seems that the new (and better) model of science includes faster publication of preliminary results with the intention that others might replicate the results. The old model of taking years to get results into the literature seems both archaic and antithetical to the production of scientific knowledge.Science must be (and is) a conversation about data, interpretations, more data, more interpretations, etc. and not a series of revealed and inviolate truths.

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaScience must be (and is) a conversation about data, interpretations, more data, more interpretations, etc. and not a series of revealed and inviolate truths.private conversation always happen. i'm sure Fermilab folks communicated their findings to other researchers in the field. for instance, when one group was working on getting the new element detected, we knew about what they were doing. it's not like Facebook, you can't simply undercut other group by secretly writing up some stupid code in the garage, in most cases.

Totally agree with traden4 alpha.I do not think it was a rush. Instead, this is the natural way of doing research: you have something you do not quite understand; you work on it for a while andstill, you do not understand... Go public and discuss with the community !Now the very top priority is to get other experiments to confirm or refute.That's the way science works Outrun, this stuff is not related to Tevatron/Fermilab closure. It had to be public a long ago...

now i really want someone show that it's not a new particle

I would much prefer the opposite. But time will tell.Outrun, where do you see the second significant particle at 180 ?

i like their list of authors in the pdf:http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.0699

It is pretty cool to see an old Atari asteroids game cartidge with some bugs in it reveal the secrets of the universe.

So, T4A, where's your "new" particle? hiding in the dark corners of FermiLabbers? didn't they rush a little too early with their "findings"? it's hard when your accelerator is shutting downQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: quantmehwhy did they rush with publication?let's wait until other groups on other accelerators reproduce the results.Why shouldn't they publish? It seems that the new (and better) model of science includes faster publication of preliminary results with the intention that others might replicate the results. The old model of taking years to get results into the literature seems both archaic and antithetical to the production of scientific knowledge.Science must be (and is) a conversation about data, interpretations, more data, more interpretations, etc. and not a series of revealed and inviolate truths.

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